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    To start with: life has been kind to me in my 20s. After a turbulent time as a teenager, running on low self-esteem, with parents in way to divorce, depressive moods, etc. The tides turned when I met my now-wife when I was 22, and before turning 23, I was father of a healthy boy – by accident, but we never saw it as a special problem. My wife and I worked hard to finish our studies, making our master degree both before our son turned 1. We were, my wife made her obligatory trial year as a teacher, I got a job as redactor of a scientific journal and continued towards PhD. After her trial year, my wife had no option for getting a job right away, being there for our 1st son, and we thought it was a good time for a second child. We were dirt poor but happy. My wife was lucky, accepted a replacement job for some months when our second born was half a year old, I put my thesis on “low flame”, continuing my job as redactor but spending more time with my children. Even more luck, my wife could continue at that school, getting a halftime job first, and even a full time job this fall (which is great, there are long waiting lists for teachers, and it’s a good school near to our home). I managed to finish my thesis this summer, right before we married this August, making my last tests (rigorosum) in October.

    Life is wonderful, isn’t it? No, not so for me. I have since caught a major depression and see a large black hole opening in front of me. Not having had sleeping problems in the past 15 years, I slept 2 hours today, having had a number of nightmares in the past weeks, almost all easy to read psychologically: it’s all about my self-confidence again, fears to fail, fears to make the same mistakes I once already had made, fears I'm too much like my mother and that history repeats.
    Of course, there are some reasons: I have to hand over my work as a redactor this coming spring, almost all my career options involve going to the US, Mexico, or at least Spain or Germany, if I want to continue. I don’t feel like it though because I couldn’t take my family with me, and since some of my fears are becoming increasingly alienated from my wife, this is a big NO at the moment. Stupid enough, I don’t have the guts to cut through all my (mostly unpaid) obligations of writing papers, preparing congress contributions, etc.
    I still live in my hometown (or: I live there again), but now all my old buddies are gone, none of my university colleagues became a real confident, so I feel reduced to my family.
    My wife OTOH, currently lives the opposite. She was never really outgoing, we shared so much of our time and thoughts over the past years, and now she has her colleagues from school. Not that she would go out much with them, but it’s an important dimension of her life I am absolutely not part of. I don’t blame her, God beware, it’s the most natural thing, but it is a synchronic development that runs so much in opposition of my own situation that –it seems- I can’t really get to terms with it. Additionally, she really doesn’t understand my depression (she doesn’t know depressions), it’s all well for her. She is happy with her situation, I’m unhappy. I want her to be happy but at the same time have a difficulty of seeing her happiness while I sink to the bottom. Of course, it would be much much worse if she were unhappy too. So what do I actually want from her?
    So I fear I make the mistake of being too clinging, too much inducing guilt or demanding empathy in a quantity she can’t give. I see this as a complete slippery slope and downward spiral, where every incident, every disharmony leads to an attempt to reconcile, leading to the next crisis (since the core problem doesn’t go away), every time increasing my own guilty feelings of putting our relation at stake.

    So there I am, a recently married fresh PhD with a great wife (whose only fault is being at terms with herself, maybe not being the right character to break my vicious circle) and two gorgeous kids that at the moment are the main reasons I don’t jump.
    My self is a sorry, dirty rag.

    Merry christmas Wernazuma.
    "The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
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    Why can't you stay a redactor?

    Go visit your doctor and talk with him. He might be able to refer you to a psychologist. Just a few good talks with him could clear up a lot. If there is something much deeper then just a post-grad dip (which I doubt), he can refer you further.

    Kick fear in the balls! It doesn't deserve less.

    Merry christmas, Wernezuma
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    "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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    • #3
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      • #4
        Originally posted by germanos
        Why can't you stay a redactor?
        My boss wants it to be a job for masters who need to fund their doctorate. Lectorate is one of the possibilities I'm thinking about changing to, instead of grassroot investigation, but as I've said: I'm not yet ready to cut my academic ties with my institute.

        Go visit your doctor and talk with him. He might be able to refer you to a psychologist. Just a few good talks with him could clear up a lot. If there is something much deeper then just a post-grad dip (which I doubt), he can refer you further.

        Kick fear in the balls! It doesn't deserve less.

        Merry christmas, Wernezuma
        Thanks for cheering me up, I'm really considering visiting a doctor.
        "The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
        "Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.

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        • #5
          Yes, do visit your Hausartz . It's good to have him 'in the know'. You would probably visit him if you have a cold that doesn't go away, so why not with this. There's no need to wait until you have pneumonia.

          I've had my bad times, and have visited my GP in such cases as well. It was especially usefull when I got laid off to boot, and he knew there was a 'history' and was more able to act as when I had visited him then out of the blue.


          Didn't you lecture previously? I vaguely remember earlier posts by you on this subject.


          You seem to be happy with your family, with the work and studies you have done, and if one thing shows through your post(s), you're not the kind of man that sits down easily in the face of advisary. That's a good trait, and should give you confidence for the future.

          If you and your wife can live happily with being 'poor', sit out the ride, enjoy what you have got and just keep your eyes, mind and heart open. With your wife now having a fulltime job which she seems happy with, she may bought you some time. Opportunaties WILL arrive. Often from angles you hadn't even thought of.
          "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
          "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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          • #6
            Wern, if it's depression, what it seems being, just remember, that things seem worthless, without value, including yourself, there's no future in anything, no possibility for happiness, just more the same or possibly just worse... this angle can change quick to the opposite. Where you once saw a possibility to fail, you see a possibility to succeed or at least enjoy yourself. All these uncertainties fall into a much healthier place, where dealing with them is easier and you have much more positive emotions. Then you wonder how the hell did you feel so bad about things earlier.

            I guess you know all this already. But my point is, the upswing that seems to be so far away, might be just around the corner. So, this is to say, that never give up.
            In da butt.
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            • #7
              I agree with germanos.

              I don't see why you should be depressed, if anything you seem to be worried about the future. This, is natural. Especially with a family. In these times you need to put what is most important first; your family. I believe the job will take care of itself, but don't move for one since your family can't go with you. Since they are your source of joy in life make sure to build that up and manage your career.

              I would definitly go see a shrink or doctor of some sort, I've been to them in the past they have helped me align myself. Also, getting involved at a church might be suitable as well, though that decision needs to be made at a family level.

              Best of luck, and remember tis the season for depression. There are probably environmental factors playing on your emotions right now.
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              • #8
                Depression is a very common disorder, and I have suffered from it at many points throughout my life and can cast a black cloud over everything. Seek help, because it isn't your fault. And don't dismiss medication...I have had nothing but good results from Prozac and no side effects, so it is nice having a magic bullet that I can use whenever the problem recurs.

                Of course there have been triggering factors though, my interminable celibacy has dogged me throughout my adult life and despite recent efforts and advances in dealing with it, I'm still no closer to a relationship. That is like a ticking clock that will eventually drag me down until I have to deal with it again. Apart from that my life is going well, but it is always the one thing in your life that drags me down. Although my career and life is going well, the thought of going on with the rest of my life alone doesn't get easier with age. And sometimes ignorance is bliss.
                Speaking of Erith:

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                • #9
                  And remember, you have to lead your life in the best direction you can...you can take the path to advance your career but if you have a family, at what cost? And is it worth the risk?
                  Speaking of Erith:

                  "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                  • #10
                    Pray... It's easy to humble yourself when you are already humbled. God helped me, he can help you.
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                    • #11
                      Go se your doctor and get some medication. It sounds like you may have SAD - Seasonal Affective Disorder. Lots of people get depressed in the winter. There's treatment for it.
                      "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                      • #12
                        I know in the winter, I feel like stepping in front of a bus. I hate winter. I wouldn't step in front of a bus, I said I felt like stepping in front of a bus.
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                        • #13
                          Thanks everyone.

                          I already visited my regular doctor (Hausarzt), who directed me to a specialist. I too guess it's a really bad combination of seasonal and post-grad depression, lumped with a little bit of relationship stress. It's already a little bit better since my wife it seems figured out how to respond more sensibly. We spent a very nice and intimate afternoon and evening, with the kids staying at my mom's place (little children who need attention are killers when you need some yourself). So, I got my relationship off the immediate worries-record, which is half the way.
                          I'm still not sure that this can't return, however. I think the divorce of my parents was so traumatic that it'll always lurk in my subconscience: my father was teacher and ran away with a colleague-my wife is a teacher; my mother had a failed academic career and stayed much home between occasional jobs-my future is uncertain...
                          And my own insufficiencies and fear about my professional future still weigh heavily. There's also a feeling of lack of sense in my life. I'm thinking about volunteering for the Red Cross or something that actually helps humanity directly.

                          PH: As it seems, a full career abroad is no option for me anyway, but even if I want to secure my chances here in Austria, I need some experience, at least a semester or two as a fellow somewhere. But I'll probably postpone this too, I'm not capable to carry this out now.

                          Thank you all for your support! I'll update you when my condition changes. At the moment, I'm comparatively stable.
                          "The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
                          "Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Holy depression: my life is ****

                            Originally posted by Wernazuma III
                            So there I am, a recently married fresh PhD with a great wife and two gorgeous kids
                            How horrible. :sad:
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                            • #15
                              Hang in there, Wern.
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