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I suppose you are right, but once the economy picks up the China can just pick up where it left off right?
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Not if the CCP doesn't survive. -
BTW what would happen if China does make it to the Moon and then says it found no evidence of the Apollo missions.
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
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Who would take power then? Pseudodemocrats? Nationalists? Also, is the CCP the only party that can sustain economic growth in China? I somehow doubt that premise.Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
Not if the CCP doesn't survive.
Except if the fall of the CCP would be, like the collapse of the Russian Communist party, accompanied by economic collapse and secession of provinces.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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Who the **** knows? That's kind of the point...Who would take power then?
Duh.Except if the fall of the CCP would be, like the collapse of the Russian Communist party, accompanied by economic collapse and secession of provinces.Comment
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What, do you mean to say even people in Hong Kong don't have a clue? **** that's disturbing.Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
Who the **** knows? That's kind of the point...
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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NASA is something like 1.5% of the budget, meanwhile we are literally printing money to pay off banks and buy up toxic securities, so that doesn't hold much water.Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
I'm all for space exploration in a perfect world, but we really can't afford a moon mission right now. Our generation is having enough put on its tab at the moment as is.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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If we're "literally printing money" to pay for things, then we're broke and need to make every cut we can. NASA is non-essential. Cut it.Comment
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NASA is not non-essential, 99% of all species that ever lived on this planet are extinct. Do you want to bet that we will continue to beat the odds just living on one planet? I don't.Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
If we're "literally printing money" to pay for things, then we're broke and need to make every cut we can. NASA is non-essential. Cut it.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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NASA is a huge waste of money. It's merely a jobs program for engineers.
It is a shame that Obama stopped telling the truth about it.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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You've been playing too much Civ if you think NASA's going to get us to Alpha Centauri anytime soon...Do you want to bet that we will continue to beat the odds just living on one planet? I don't.Comment
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I was thinking Mars and Outer Solar System, actually.Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
You've been playing too much Civ if you think NASA's going to get us to Alpha Centauri anytime soon...
There are plenty of other things to cut(I would slash-and-burn the holy hell out of the Green Services, for example) than NASA.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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I don't know where you're planning to colonize in the outer solar system. Mars is enough of a pipedream already.I was thinking Mars and Outer Solar System, actually.Comment
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What Canadian was making that argument?Originally posted by SlowwHand
I seem to recall posts in a valiant attempt to argue that Canada had made great contibution in Iraq.
What's with the sudden reversal?
We are pretty much agreed that Iraq was the US's colossal ****up. I don't know why you think we would want to make a claim on that.
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NASA's cost structure impedes it from doing the really cool stuff like setting up permanent moon bases. Apollo was a seriously large expenditure and merely repeating the feat would be a burden nowadays.
You can tell it's bad when NASA's cost structure is about 4x the cost structure inherited from the communists. I think you'll excuse my cynicism that a government agency will cut its cost structure substantially.Last edited by DanS; December 14, 2008, 13:12.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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[quote]Chinese Space Flight Timeline
October 2003, with the Shenzhou V’s successful journey, China became the third country to send a person into space with its own equipment.
October 2005, China sent two people into space for a five-day period on the Shenzhou VI.
January 2007, China conducted an Anti-Satellite ASAT test, becoming the third country to have successfully performed such a test (PINR).
October 24, 2007, China sent a lunar probe to the moon (Chang’e I).
Late September 2008, China will send three people into space on the Shenzhou VII. They will perform China’s first spacewalk (IHT).[./quote]
http://www.fas.org/spp/guide/china/wp2006.pdf (China)How Much are the Chinese Spending?
Estimates of Chinese space expenditures vary, but the World Security Institute posted an overview of amounts. Official statements indicate the Chinese spent about $120 million on the Shenzhou V program, and claimed space program spending of $240 million a year; but those sums are almost certainly significantly underreported. More recently Chinese-government reported estimates appear to be closer to reality. China Daily, for example, claims $630 million will be invested in a new project to design a carrier rocket, the Long March V. Western reports suggest China’s annual space expenditures as between $1.2 to $3 billion, which would make Chinese space program spending comparable to Japan (~$2.1 billion) and Russia’s yearly expenditures (~$1.4 billion).
In 2005, the United States spent over $16 billion on government-sponsored space exploration, with $6 billion going toward space flight, $4 billion to the shuttle, and $500 million for flight support. (In 2007, NASA spent $16.8 billion, and in 2006 the European Space Administration spent over $4 billion.) NASA estimates the cost for “landing a crew on the Moon in 2020: [will be] $64 billion in FY2003 dollars. The $64 billion consists of $24 billion to build and operate the Crew Exploration Vehicle from FY2004-2020; plus $40 billion for the years 2011-2020 to build the lunar lander portion of that vehicle, a new launch vehicle, and operations. The $64 billion does not include the cost of robotic missions” (NASA, 4).
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