Canadian Parliamentary Crisis III

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by Asher
It doesn't help that I ****ing hate Ontario. Canadian politics are bad, but the worst of the bunch reside in Ontario.

Why the sudden love of Quebec?

[Asher]

Quebec is not part of Canada.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Dude, for a topic you find boring you've managed to post a lot about it. FFS, if you don't find something interesting don't read it, don't act like a whiny little *****.

The topic is boring, the flamewar about its relevance is certainly quite interesting.

I'm more pissed off that only people from Ontario care about John Tory. It's all me-me-me in Ontario. The guy was NEVER ONCE close to being relevant in federal politics, yet here's some Ontarian *****ing and moaning about John Tory in a thread about federal politics. Get over yourself, Ontario -- you're no longer relevant.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by Asher
Quebec is not part of Canada.

Don't the separatists wish.

[Asher]

I'm not a separatist and I wish.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by Asher
I'm not a separatist and I wish.

Doesn't that make you a separatist?

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Asher



If you call 2 comments in a few days on Apolyton to be an interesting topic, 1 of which from a person who knows nothing about it and the other from Ben Kenobi, then you've got problems.

It is bound to be a topic with limited contribution and I know that. I know from his posts over the years that Kuci likes to learn about things hence my detailed response to his query. Ben was giving me the right wing Conservative position and I acknowledged that was the political issue for the party. I personally don't know what direction the party should go so I wasn't about to argue with him about it. Some people were actually interested so why should you care if there is little response? No one forced you to post.

I wasn't interrupting an ongoing discussion as the thread had dropped to the third page. Rather than create multiple CanPol threads I put it here. Where is your harm in all this? Again, get a ****ing life.

There was one comment in addition to this about John Tory from NYE that you skillfully avoided as well, which is just cute.

I answered NYE's question in the post to Kuci. I'm sure he saw it. Since it seems to be bothersome to you this was the relevant part:

Although by no means obligated to help the provincial wing of the party (they are not officially affiliated) they are Conservatives and Harper had an opportunity to save the provincial party from wandering in the wilderness forever. Tory's impending resignation will hurt them in the long run.

You've got a petulant axe to grind with Harper and sometimes you obsess over the most ridiculously small and insignificant facets of politics to do it.

I don't think you can point fingers for obsessing over "the most ridiculously small and insignificant facets". You are a prime example of what is so terribly wrong with Poly these days. The site is becoming less and a place for serious discussion and more a place for attention whores. Rather than engage in the discussion if it interested you or ignore it if it didn't you chose to attack a fellow poster instead. Well done.

[notyoueither]

Although by no means obligated to help the provincial wing of the party (they are not officially affiliated) they are Conservatives and Harper had an opportunity to save the provincial party from wandering in the wilderness forever. Tory's impending resignation will hurt them in the long run.

It most likely suits the interests of the federal Conservatives to have non-conservative governments in Ontario for a time.

[Asher]

to Wezil and his invigorating discussion on John Tory.

As predicted, epic failure.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by notyoueither

It most likely suits the interests of the federal Conservatives to have non-conservative governments in Ontario for a time.

Yes, it is always nice for the feds to blame the province for problems and vice-versa.

The downside is the lack of crossover support. Workers/volunteers will often work for both wings but a moribund provincial party gathers little support. The federal conservatives are on their own in ON so long as the provincial party fights for life.

Also to be considered is the possibility Harper wants to see the provincial party move to the right. The removal of Tory will most likely have that result.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Asher
to Wezil and his invigorating discussion on John Tory.

As predicted, epic failure.

Originally posted by Wezil
You are a prime example of what is so terribly wrong with Poly these days. The site is becoming less and a place for serious discussion and more a place for attention whores. Rather than engage in the discussion if it interested you or ignore it if it didn't you chose to attack a fellow poster instead. Well done.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by Asher
to Wezil and his invigorating discussion on John Tory.

As predicted, epic failure.

Why? I learned something about Ontario politics.

[Asher]

Because this is not an Ontario political thread. In fact, several people who frequent this thread loathe Ontario and its politics, and people who are from Ontario keep assuming their provincial politics are so important to the rest of the country that they deserved to be talked about nationally. They don't.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wezil

Seems to me like you're doing a lot of poster attacking rather than discussing the Canadian Parliamentary Crisis in this thread.

Your post was easily the most vicious of any in this thread.

Take a hike, go cool off, and stay on topic next time.

[Wezil]

I feel bad that you are the only one that wants to talk about this Asher.

This opinion article is just for you.

It’s hard to glance at or hear the news these days without the word “bailout” popping up. Prime Minister Stephen Harper had the chance to bailout Ontario Progressive Conservative leader John Tory this week and graciously declined to do so. Tory has spent since the election of October 2007 without a seat in the provincial legislature. Unlike other party leaders who end up at the head of their party with minimal legislative experience, Tory decided not to run in a safe seat that would have allowed him to spend time throughout Ontario bolstering his party instead of trying to win his riding. Tory, for reasons that are hard to understand, decided to run against popular Liberal Education Minister Kathleen Wynne in her heavily Liberal Toronto riding. His Arrogance lost. Since then Tory has been trying to get someone in his caucus to give up their seat so he can run in a by-election, all to no avail. That was probably a good thing because John Tory could have possibly lost the by-election too, making a complete joke out of the party that recently spent eight years with strong majority governments.

In a stunning act of foolishness, even for him, Tory promised that he would make a decision as to whether he would stay on as leader or go by the end of this year. He failed to honour that promise and will pass his self imposed deadline. It seems Dalton McGuinty is not the province’s only political leader who feels that promises are made to be broken.

No doubt Tory purposely passed his deadline because he was hoping that Stephen Harper would come through for him by using one of the two then-vacant Ontario Senate seats to accomplish what Tory couldn’t do; free up an Ontario riding for him to run it. There were rumours that Harper would appoint de facto PC leader Bob Runciman to the Senate, leaving John with a safe riding in which it would be difficult even for him to lose. And Runciman’s background as a long time MPP would better serve Canadians in the Red Chamber than say, a skier. But Harper didn’t play ball.

The Ontario PCs could learn a lot from the federal Liberals. Despite the fact that the Liberals have not been in power since 2006, they are still Canada’s Natural Governing Party. While the Liberals ability to choose a party leader leaves a lot to be desired, they sure know how to get rid of one. After leading the party to its worst showing since Confederation, Stéphane Dion was in no hurry to exit. So he was pushed and forced out. Those Libs don’t fool around. And when the coalition was formed the Liberals were in the position of wanting Dion to become the prime minister of Canada even though they had decided that he wasn’t fit to lead his party. Only in Canada.

If John Tory tells the party that he intends to stay on, it will be time for a push. Tory is totally incapable of leading the party to victory over Dalton McGuinty; someone who if was not beatable in 2007 probably will be in 2011. Since winning the leadership John Tory’s most memorable feat was kicking MPP Bill Murdoch out of caucus for saying what most people believe – that Tory has to go. Tory’s criticism of the governing Liberals is weak, due to the fact that the Red Tory pretty well agrees with most things that they do. And by not living up to his promise to make a decision by the end of 2008, he has lost all moral authority to criticize Dalton McGuinty for breaking promises. The Tories should be grateful that Harper did not construct a situation where Tory had a good excuse to stay.

John Tory has had various careers during his life. He’s practiced law, been the Commissioner of the CFL and was “the cable guy” at Rogers. It’s time for him to move on. It’s time for him to open that pub – Seatless John’s.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/7133