Women - your weirdest experiences with the lovely ones

[Dis]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Dis, as far as I can see most of the time it's (some) women turning down guys who are equal in looks/intelligence in early adulthood then getting stuck with a worse guy some years later. Not just guys going for women out of their league (which they also do, to be certain).

it's bound to happen. People try to get the "best" they can. Men do it as well. Some men are horrible enough to "trade up" as their status increases as they get older. Most women do not have their option as their status decreases along with their looks.

[KrazyHorse]

Dis, again: if the average unattached woman increases in quality relative to the average unattached man as age increases then it implies that women should have been LESS picky when younger and men should have been MORE picky.

[Dis]

but some girls just wanna have fun.

in that case they only have themselves to blame when they had too much fun and their looks are now gone.

[KrazyHorse]

I think that wanting to have fun is the main reason men aren't picky enough when young. I think that it is only one of two major reasons for women. The other is unrealistic self-image/expectations.

[Heraclitus]

I think most guys who are alone aren't that horrible, well except the drug addicts or terribly overweight ones (and you'd be surprised how often they have women in their lives too) they're just a bit more picky.


I happen to agree with dis that a woman needs to have quite a few qualities to be worth the time and effort of a relationship. I myself am perfectly comfortable not being in a relationships for well over a year. Being alone at least ensures that you are in good company.

[Alinestra Covelia]

I have a marriage pact with Bing that if we're both 40 and unmarried, we'll tie the knot. He said it would be fun because we would end up playing a lot of Street Fighter.

[Sir Og]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Then perhaps these women should have been better judges of character and had more reasonable expectations in their early and mid 20s. Nobody makes these women date good-looking, overconfident *******s who have no intention of doing anything more than ****ing them and dumping them.

By the way, just so it doesn't seem like I'm being bitter, I started dating my wife when we were 20 and we got married 2 years ago at 26 (well, she had turned 27 the day before our wedding). I never had a problem getting dates, but I saw a lot of guys who did, and I now see a lot of women who would give their eye teeth for the guys they wouldn't have looked twice at 5 years ago.

QFT

[Arrian]

My lady's a nutty libertarian, but of the hopelessly-idealistic nobody-should-be-able-to-order-anybody-around variety, not the evil I-want-the-freedom-to-defraud-a-Walmart kind. So it's all good.

My wierdest experience... probably isn't going to sound all that wierd.

I "fell in love" (aka had a big crush) on my best friend in highschool. Unfortunately for me, I figured this out just *after* she had just shifted off a crush for me and moved on to this other guy (who she proceeded to boink like it was her job). We remained friends, but I was that pathetic guy friend who wanted to be the boyfriend.

Anyway, off to college I go. I discover that I'm not quite as bad with women as I once believed. I end up with a pretty sexy girlfriend for a couple of years. Anyway, the highschool best friend came up to visit once, while sexy gf and I are having problems. I hadn't seen her in three+ years. She proceeds to tell me that she made a mistake back in highschool - she should have lost her virginity to me. I stared at her for a bit. Then I told her that, for better or worse, that particular ship had sailed. She left. Joined the army. Married her commanding officer or somesuch. I also broke up with sexy gf that very same day (then got back together, broke up again, back together, broke up, rinse, repeat, for maximum pain).

-Arrian

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia
I have a marriage pact with Bing that if we're both 40 and unmarried, we'll tie the knot. He said it would be fun because we would end up playing a lot of Street Fighter.

IIRC, Chandler Bing made an identical suggestion to Monica Geller. Her response was, "What?! Why would you ever think I'd be unmarried at 40?!"

I hope yours is a different Bing.

[Jon Miller]

My freinds said something like that but about when they would turn 30. (I don't think I was included, and since it was physics it was a bunch of dudes + 1 girl).

I think currently just one of them is unmarried now.

JM

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia


Same here.

I hope you are not one of those sloppy researchers that seem to plague our institutions in this day and age, and made sure your experimentation was scientifically rigorous.


If it wasn't you should redo the whole thing from scratch and keep a detailed lab journal. I know it must seem hard, but just close your eyes and think of science.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Then perhaps these women should have been better judges of character and had more reasonable expectations in their early and mid 20s. Nobody makes these women date good-looking, overconfident *******s who have no intention of doing anything more than ****ing them and dumping them.

By the way, just so it doesn't seem like I'm being bitter, I started dating my wife when we were 20 and we got married 2 years ago at 26 (well, she had turned 27 the day before our wedding). I never had a problem getting dates, but I saw a lot of guys who did, and I now see a lot of women who would give their eye teeth for the guys they wouldn't have looked twice at 5 years ago.

I think you may be judging them too harshly. You see what we really have here is a simple supply/demand market-like mechanic. Youth and beauty are valued above all else in our society, thus people overestimate demand of said things.

Women also live in their teens and early 20's live in an environment where they get hit on constantly, this creates an illusion of demand for them personally, when it is really a demand for "any" young and reasonably pretty woman.

They start negotiations with lots of investors who are unreliable but could, potentially offer a great deal, but then unexpectedly the market crashes (a better analogy might be that everyone moves off to fresh markets) and they are desperate for anyone to give them a liquidity boost.

[KrazyHorse]

I don't understand how anything you just said contradicts anything I said. It is, in fact, very similar to what I said.

Yes, their attractiveness (as individuals) as judged by the general public goes down over time, and if they don't realize this then it may be a cause of their overestimating their attractiveness. But a rational female agent would look at the pool of women (as they age) and at the pool of men available to older women, and note that the expected quality of mate available to a given goes down as she ages (because the higher quality men have already been taken). She should thus adjust her strategy to get what she reasonably can in a shorter timeframe.

Rational men, on the other hand, should see the opposite occurring; they should be willing to accept more periods of solitude during their youth in order to avoid being trapped in a suboptimal relationship.

[Boris Godunov]

Tom Leykis (sp?) is right about one thing: if people feel they MUST get married, they shouldn't do it until their at least 30 years old and have been dating/****ing for at least 5 years.

[Blaupanzer]

KH, you sound like you wish these women were more goal-oriented at an earlier age. Seems a bit judgemental. Are you angry that they did not give you a go? If the men can enjoy a lack of relationship, e.g., Heraclitus, then why can't the ladies. They don't HAVE to be married, have children, or meet any other of society's expectations, unless they want to.