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  • #46
    Originally posted by Bosh
    Stop trying to tell jokes, please please stop.
    I second that.

    Re:OP, I can't picture congressional Dems giving Obama much trouble. I just can't. He's their Jesus.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Elok


      I second that.

      Re:OP, I can't picture congressional Dems giving Obama much trouble. I just can't. He's their Jesus.
      Well, you better get ready, cause it will come soon enough.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Bosh
        Stop trying to tell jokes, please please stop.
        Unbelievable!

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        • #49
          Originally posted by GePap
          Well, you better get ready, cause it will come soon enough.
          Do you mean he's going to turn centrist, contrary to his past voting record, or just that the Senate Dems will get jealous or something?
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          • #50
            WASHINGTON -- President-elect Barack Obama is unlikely to radically overhaul controversial Bush administration intelligence policies, advisers say, an approach that is almost certain to create tension within the Democratic Party.

            Civil-liberties groups were among those outraged that the White House sanctioned the use of harsh intelligence techniques -- which some consider torture -- by the Central Intelligence Agency, and expanded domestic spy powers. These groups are demanding quick action to reverse these policies.
            [Intelligence Policy to Stay Largely Intact] Associated Press

            Former National Counterterrorism Center chief John Brennan, leader of Obama's intelligence-transition team.

            Mr. Obama is being advised largely by a group of intelligence professionals, including some who have supported Republicans, and centrist former officials in the Clinton administration. They say he is likely to fill key intelligence posts with pragmatists.

            "He's going to take a very centrist approach to these issues," said Roger Cressey, a former counterterrorism official in the Clinton and Bush administrations. "Whenever an administration swings too far on the spectrum left or right, we end up getting ourselves in big trouble." ...

            Yet he more recently voted for a White House-backed law to expand eavesdropping powers for the National Security Agency. Mr. Obama said he opposed providing legal immunity to telecommunications companies that aided warrantless surveillance, but ultimately voted for the bill, which included an immunity provision.

            The new president could take a similar approach to revising the rules for CIA interrogations, said one current government official familiar with the transition. Upon review, Mr. Obama may decide he wants to keep the road open in certain cases for the CIA to use techniques not approved by the military, but with much greater oversight.


            Emphasis added.

            So, is this just wishful thinking on the part of the WSJ? Or is Obama really the kind of "torturer" I could learn to love?

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            • #51
              In other news, Bush and Obama quite similar, sound boring.

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              • #52
                His voting record as an "extreme liberal" was determined by an extreme right wing group. Obama really is middle of the road. In that mode, you "do what you have to do." You don't advertise it and keep ithe rough stuff to a minimum. He is an extremely good organizer and knows how to listen, He is NOT antiwar (outside Iraq) and he is not anti-military. He appears to know why we have an Intelligence Community. And the public likes him!
                No matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai
                "I played it [Civilization] for three months and then realised I hadn't done any work. In the end, I had to delete all the saved files and smash the CD." Iain Banks, author

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by GePap
                  No, Rove is still wrong. Calling for tax cuts is a perennial ploy. Can you name me a single Democratic presidential candidate that ran on a platform of higher taxes as a campaign promise?
                  I believe Mondale did.
                  Last edited by The Mad Monk; November 11, 2008, 16:21.
                  No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                  • #54
                    TMM is correct.
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Zkribbler

                      How 'bout:
                      Middle-class tax cut.
                      How 'bout:
                      Middle-east tax cut.

                      If Obama gets Israeli taxes lowered, I promise people will vote for what ever peace plan he proposes

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by The Mad Monk
                        I believe Mondale did.
                        Yep... and that taught Dems a big lesson .
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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