Young Trick or Treater Gunned Down

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Why? The guy's a big dude. And the kick is pretty obvious.

Well, the garand was the standard weapon when I was drafted, an I know it inside out. I haven't counted, but I probably have fired around a thousand live and a couple of hundred blanks.

The garand is a very good precision weapon for an amateur (draft) and can deliver good coverage fire if you don't care if you hit anything. Though, one thing is sure, you can't do what you see in this video using live ammo.

[KrazyHorse]

Again, why? The kick knocks one guy back a couple of steps back after 8 or 9 rounds. That seems reasonable.

[KrazyHorse]

Just to be clear, I've never even touched a gun, so I'm not exactly an expert. It just doesn't seem unrealistic to me.

[BlackCat]

Mainly because he can hold it in line at every round. The garand kicks hard and if you only has that lower grip in the video, live ammo would make him loose control of the gun.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Just to be clear, I've never even touched a gun, so I'm not exactly an expert. It just doesn't seem unrealistic to me.

Well, if you had, you would know that the barrel has a tendency to rise after a shot. You don't see that despite there are several shots. belive me, the garand kicks hard and the barrel goes up even if you are firing from a laying position with the band twisted around your arm.

[KrazyHorse]

I understand that most kicks are up (and to the left, IIRC). And I especially understand that a rifle like the Garand which was designed for single-shot fire was not designed with the minimization of this effect as a priority. And I'm willing to defer to your much greater experience with this. It's just that I think you're a bit too certain. The guys on the video have likely done this before and are prepared for the type of kick they're going to get.

[BlackCat]

Yep, and that is what makes me suspicious He uses his right hand to pull the trigger and carries the gun with his left hand under it. I know that a single shot will both kick back and up, but do you really belive that he can control that holding it as he does ? I admit he seems pretty strong, but that isn't my real problem - my problem is the way the gun acts - unless this guy is VERY strong the gun should have acted otherwise.

Another thing is that there apparently isn't any backwards action and that is even crazier - the guy is holding a garand in his left hand, firing it and have no problems with it.

I know that there are a couple of polytubbies old enough to have used a garand - please tell if I'm crazy or not

[SlowwHand]

I'll tell you that you're crazy, just off general principle.

[Winston]

I have used the Garand. Unfortunately, I do not use YouTube, so I can't really comment in any useful way.

[Chemical Ollie]

The first time I used live ammo on full automatic while training frontal infantry assault, I fell backwards from the recoil. I wasn't mentally prepared for that. The recoil from single rounds were never any problems. But we used another rifle, the Swedish AK-4. Ammo 7.62.

[Felch]

Garands fire a 30-06. Those are much longer than the AKs. 39 mm < 63 mm.

I'm generally in favor of firearms and defending the home, but this is not cool. You need to know what you're shooting at. And it sounds like this guy was tweaking. Besides, someone who comes to do you harm probably isn't going to knock on your front door.

[Patroklos]

Sad, Sumter is obly 50 odd miles from Charleston.

Not that I think the kids in this story did anything wrong, but I had several dozen kids come to my door even though my poach light was off. It was my first Halloween in an urban area in a few years and I forgot how many kids are around, ran out of candy early.

Any of you experiance this lack of Halloween manners? I found it extremely odd because my neighborhood, despite recent gentrification, can still be a little ruff.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Winston
I have used the Garand. Unfortunately, I do not use YouTube, so I can't really comment in any useful way.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I'll tell you that you're crazy, just off general principle.

Having such friends is why I don't care about enemies

[Gatekeeper]

I come from a family that counts hunters in its ranks — rifles and shotguns were a constant presence in the household I grew up in.

So, with that in mind, I don't have a problem with those types of guns (and pistols) being around, so long as they're secured from accidental discharge and kept away from young'uns who haven't yet a clue as to how to safely use them.

But what I do have a gripe with are the assault weapons. Tell me, why in God's name does anyone outside the police forces and/or military need them? The occasional licensed collector, I suppose I could understand, but why anyone else?

Gatekeeper