How will Bush steal the election his time?

[Whoha]

Since he didn't win the first time he can have another term. thats how he'll do it.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Theben
Interesting that the overseas vote is 6-1 in Obama's favor.

I'd love to examine the methodology of your source on that. Sounds more like expatriates and State Dept. employees than any viable cross-section of deployed military, especially considering the latter are pretty tough to cold-call.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
It doesn't surprise me that there is strong support for McCain in the military since he was a military man himself. Still, the poll is also from early August. Wasn't McCain neck and neck with Obama at that point?

He was neck-and-neck then and is now 3-10% behind. Subtract 3-10 of McCain's points in the MT poll to Obama, and he'd still be losing in it. Even if the MT poll would hypothetically be neck-and-neck if taken today, that would still disprove Seedle's purely anecdotal point.

[Chemical Ollie]

I like the idea. Every country has the leadership it deserves, especially USA who votes for it. So why not a third term?

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Darius871

I'd love to examine the methodology of your source on that. Sounds more like expatriates and State Dept. employees than any viable cross-section of deployed military, especially considering the latter are pretty tough to cold-call.

Probably. The Military Times poll wasn't terribly scientific (issues with the sample). I doubt that it's off by much, though. The military tends to be strongly Republican. I think that's misguided, but it is what it is.

It's natural that if you are someone who has really bought into the mission (leaving aside exactly what the mission is at this point) and have risked your life to carry it out that one might react to any criticism of the mission with hostility. If you think it was a good call and are dedicated to winning (again, leaving aside what "winning" means), hearing someone describe it as "a stupid war" might piss you off, whereas someone repeating his committment to "victory" might give you the warm fuzzies (especially if he has the ability to distance himself from the mistakes in execution that were made - and McCain can).

Having read the article Seedle posted, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the author voted McCain (which is to say that poll data showing a 3-1 advantage to McCain =! the military loves Bush. Yes, I know this logic means McCain =! Bush). The author of that article is pissed b/c he doesn't think the civilian USA "bought in" to the Iraq war. I think he's right. Further, I think he's got a point about a discussion of the draft forcing serious debate over our interventionist foreign policy.

-Arrian

[Blaupanzer]

Karl Rove has successfully stolen the last two elections for Bush. Although Bush isn't running, Rove now works for McCain. Don't be surprised if this election too falls into serious legal disputes about ballot-handling. However, a landslide would end that disruption and maybe let us get beyond slanderous politics. Okay, okay, but one can hope.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Blaupanzer
Rove now works for McCain.

Since when?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Darius871


Since when?

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=8B58A658-3048-5C12-006F9CBBFFC54DE3

Mehlman, Rove boost McCain campaign
By: David Paul Kuhn
March 8, 2008 11:33 AM EST

[Darius871]

I've read that before, but I fail to see how "a private conversation" and a third party's report of subsequent "informal advising" mean he "works" for McCain. BP was trying to analogize with his role under Bush, which doesn't jive with the facts.

I find it funny that BP blames Rove for ballot mishandling too, as if he had that kind of clout. The guy's just a poll-analysis geek, not some all-powerful mastermind. That's Cheney's job.

[Asher]

British Petroleum shouldn't be ****ing with US politics.

[Darius871]

bastard limeys

[chequita guevara]

I already posted how: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=181298

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Seedle


I seriously doubt a coup would work. Don't you need the military on your side? I don't think the military would go for it,

That's why they're stuck in the Middle East, and Blackwater and DynCorp are back here at home

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Blaupanzer
Karl Rove has successfully stolen the last two elections for Bush. Although Bush isn't running, Rove now works for McCain. ...

I've heard absentee-balloters in Florida are receiving phone calls from people offering to take their ballots to the polls.

[chequita guevara]

In Broward County, the part for which you are registered is printed on your absentee ballot.

People have been getting fake mail in ballots from the McCain campaign.