How will Bush steal the election his time?

[BeBMan]

I'm open to hear ideas.

[snoopy369]

He'll put ads on all of the retirement community's billboards accusing his opponent of supporting graffiti terrorism.

[Vesayen]

Start a war in Iran, declare martial law?

People have speculated since his first term that there might be a coup.

[Theben]

The GOP will accuse Obama of being a commie and then compare him to Hitler, attempting to alienate everyone.

Wait, they already did that. Nevermind.

[Seedle]

Originally posted by Vesayen
Start a war in Iran, declare martial law?

People have speculated since his first term that there might be a coup.

I seriously doubt a coup would work. Don't you need the military on your side? I don't think the military would go for it, especially since on the whole they don't seem to be happy about Iraq and Bush's role in putting them there. Of course, I have over-estimated American willingness to fight for American ideals before...

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Vesayen
Start a war in Iran, declare martial law?

People have speculated since his first term that there might be a coup.

Which "people"?

[snoopy369]

Vesayen, and TinFoilHatMan.

That's two, so it qualifies as 'people'.

[Riesstiu IV]

Get a ton of plastic surgery to look like Obama and take his place.

[Vesayen]

Photoshop has a negroplasty(southpark, TM) button?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

He's not going to steal the election. he's going to become president-for-life of a newly re-seceded Republic of Texas.

Which, really, is a win-win situation if ever there were one.

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Seedle


I seriously doubt a coup would work. Don't you need the military on your side? I don't think the military would go for it, especially since on the whole they don't seem to be happy about Iraq and Bush's role in putting them there. Of course, I have over-estimated American willingness to fight for American ideals before...

The army's not happy? The war increases the importance and relevance of the army, the war enables the army to spend a lot on new weaponry, it provides jobs and work, and through the war teh army can strengthen its ties with the industry a lot more than in peace time, not to mention the many shady deals from which certain high ranking military peeps will undoubtedly benefit.

Give me break yo!

[Seedle]

Originally posted by Traianvs


The army's not happy? The war increases the importance and relevance of the army, the war enables the army to spend a lot on new weaponry, it provides jobs and work, and through the war teh army can strengthen its ties with the industry a lot more than in peace time, not to mention the many shady deals from which certain high ranking military peeps will undoubtedly benefit.

Give me break yo!

I was referring to the rank and file, not the top brass.

The International Herald Tribune

October 23, 2007 Tuesday

Party here, sacrifice over there;
Fighting in Iraq

BYLINE: Will Bardenwerper - The New York Times Media Group

SECTION: OPINION; Pg. 8

LENGTH: 828 words

DATELINE: NEW YORK

In January 2006 I stepped off a C-130 in Tal Afar, Iraq. As I began my 13-month deployment, I imagined an American public following our progress with the same concern as my family and friends. But since returning home, I have seen that America has changed the channel.

Young investment bankers spend their impressive bonuses on clubs in Manhattan and many seem uninterested in the soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. As a Princeton graduate and a former financial analyst, I was once a part of this world, and I like returning to it, putting the Spartan life of Tal Afar and Anbar Province behind me. But even as I enjoy time with the friends who have welcomed me home, my thoughts wander back to other friends who continue to fight as the city parties on.

Serious problems with the war in Iraq are well chronicled, but I am struck by one that does not seem to trouble the country's leadership, even though it is profoundly corrosive to our common good: the disparity between the lives of the few who are fighting and being killed, and the many who have been asked for nothing more than to continue shopping.

Those who rationalize this disconnect have argued that our soldiers are volunteers, happy doing what they signed up to do. While it is true that most soldiers are devoted to country and comrades, and are focused on their mission, the assertion that soldiers are cheerfully returning for multiple combat tours is grounded in statistics and arguments that are misleading.

Supposedly impressive re-enlistment rates are cited as evidence that soldiers enthusiastically support the war effort. In reality, these retention numbers are more the result of the ''stop-loss'' policy, where soldiers are required to remain in the Army after their contracts have expired if their units are deployed or ordered to deploy soon. My platoon's infantrymen expected to be ''stop-lossed'' and some felt they might as well cash in on the re-enlistment bonuses if they were going to be forced to stay in the Army anyway.

Few of today's soldiers expected 15-month deployments separated by home stays of less than 12 months. The stress on Army families is enormous, especially since at least four of those months at ''home'' are generally spent training in the field.

Sacrifices like these were the norm in World War II, and families left behind could draw strength from the knowledge that everyone was in the same situation. Today's military families shoulder this burden pretty much alone.

The Army is badly damaged. The relentless deployment schedule drives many highly trained junior officers and noncommissioned officers out of the Army, while the Pentagon resorts to stop-loss and call-ups from the Individual Ready Reserve to stop the bleeding. These measures are abusing the very Americans who have already made the greatest sacrifices in the war effort.

Never in my life have I seen such commitment, with soldiers and officers working in hazardous conditions upward of 16 hours a day, seven days a week, for over a year, barely able to pause long enough to commemorate their fallen friends. Meanwhile, in the banking houses of New York, the shaky credit markets and the Dow are the things that matter; the problems facing our soldiers 8,000 miles away seem to capture little attention.

Can we continue an interventionist foreign policy with a country divided in this way? The president says that America is engaged in a struggle between good and evil, but is he addressing all citizens when his policies touch so few of us? To ask this question is inevitably to raise the issue of whether we should reinstate the draft. As a recent infantry officer who has younger siblings, I recognize what a profound question this is.

A draft would have one of two consequences. The first is that it might actually relieve the strain on today's soldiers and end the ''backdoor draft'' of volunteers who have already served while their civilian peers remain comfortably undisturbed.

I am aware that Army leaders fear that a draft would hurt the professionalism of today's force. However, the lowering of recruiting requirements, as well as the offering of big signing bonuses to impressionable high school students, is already diminishing standards.

The other possible consequence is that serious consideration of a draft could set off such a violent reaction from the American public that the pressure on politicians to abandon their clichŽ-ridden rhetoric and begin a well-considered withdrawal would be overpowering.

Either situation would accelerate movement toward a decisive point - a commitment to victory, or the realization that Americans simply do not believe the threats cited are really worthy of the sacrifices required to vanquish them. Many years and many lives later, the very least we can do for my friends fighting a world away is to try to decide.

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Will Bardenwerper, an Army infantry officer from 2003 to 2007, was stationed for 13 months in Nineveh and Anbar Provinces in Iraq.

Emphasis mine. Obviously, only one soldier's opinion, but I have to think that many others share it.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Seedle

I was referring to the rank and file, not the top brass.

Emphasis mine. Obviously, only one soldier's opinion, but I have to think that many others share it.

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http://www.militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/081003_ep_2pp.pdf

[Theben]

Interesting that the overseas vote is 6-1 in Obama's favor. The spectulation is that rank-n-file don't want to admit to supporting Obama openly, which could account for those charts.

[Riesstiu IV]

It doesn't surprise me that there is strong support for McCain in the military since he was a military man himself. Still, the poll is also from early August. Wasn't McCain neck and neck with Obama at that point?