The Second Presidental Debate Thread

[Theben]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit
Not shaking hands with Obama - then shaking hands with his wife - was a horrendous gaffe by McCain. Definitely looked deliberate, and Rude doesn't play well on either side of the aisle.

Woah, missed that. Although they did stand together for the photo-op and Tom told them he couldn't see his teleprompter so then they parted. Maybe McCain forgot after that.

I had heard that the wives weren't cordial with each other.

[DaShi]

I think it just dawned on him that it's over. I wonder if he'll even bother with the third debate.

[Imran Siddiqui]

He patted him on the back before that exchange and they probably shook hands right after the debate (when Brokaw said they were in his way in reading the teleprompter). I doubt that'll be an issue.

[Wiglaf]

How in god's name was this an Obama win? You people are just losers IN THE TANK for the douchebag. Get over yourselves. I'm about to have some really really angry sex.

[Ninot]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
I'm about to have some really really angry sex.

Be careful. You want to be able to use that hand in the morning.

[Wiglaf]

YOURE SO CLEVER POKER MAN! GO GET ME SOME MORE CHIPS POKER BEYOTCH I RAISE YOU MY SCHLONG

[-Jrabbit]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
He patted him on the back before that exchange and they probably shook hands right after the debate (when Brokaw said they were in his way in reading the teleprompter). I doubt that'll be an issue.

What the cameras show is what counts.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
MCCAIN DIDNT TAKE MONEY FROM FANNIE OR FREDDIE.

Uh, for this campaign McCain took $169,000 from "directors, officers, and lobbyists for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." In contrast, Obama took $16,000, none from lobbyists.

EDIT: good thing debate was early PST, am sobering up nicely before bed

[Wiglaf]

THANKS FOR THE SOURCE BORHIS!

[Wiglaf]

You're from Oregon. I should not have expected a source, only songs about dysentery.

http://www.bloggernews.net/117902

Quit using biased commie sites for your info., thanks.

[Asher]

It was in the NY Times.

[Wiglaf]

Those numbers are too low. It doesn't count PACs, only executives. It's wrong and biased, just like the New York Times, and more crooked than your penis.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423701,00.html

[Asher]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/07/fact-check-did-obama-get-second-most-money-from-freddie-and-fannie/

The Facts: Federal law forbids candidates from receiving money directly from companies. The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics tracks donations from employees of various companies. The center's list of contributions from Fannie and Freddie employees places Obama second. Ahead of him is Sen. Chris Dodd, Democratic chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.

The total listed for Obama is $126,349 — a tiny fraction of the approximately $390 million his campaign has raised, according to the center. The list shows McCain has received a total of $21,550 from Fannie and Freddie employees. The list includes donations of at least $200 from those who receive paychecks from Fannie and Freddie. It also includes donations from political action committees — pooled contributions from employees.

The report spans from 1989-2008 — just a portion of the time since Fannie Mae went private in 1968 and Freddie Mac was created in 1970.

The New York Times has published a separate list looking at contributions from "directors, officers, and lobbyists for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac" for the 2008 campaign cycle. That list — using figures from the Federal Election Commission — shows McCain receiving $169,000, while Obama received only $16,000.

VERDICT: Misleading. No donations actually came from the companies. One method of measuring employee contributions does put Obama second overall, but another, for the current election cycle, shows McCain receiving significantly more.

[Wiglaf]

Look at this then:

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/top-senate-recipients-of-fanni.html

It's the democrats' fault, and any spin on that is just limped dicked bull****.

[Boris Godunov]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/19/fact-check-did-obama-profit-from-fannie-and-freddie/

It's a stupid charge from McCain, because companies can't give money to candidates. It's employees of the company who give their own personal money, and that really has **** all to do with anything.