They're becoming a mob

[Velociryx]

I can't believe he actually defended them.

Where's the integrity?

I'm speechless, and at this point, I wouldn't vote for him if he was the only guy running.

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Obama is no saint. He has run ads telling senior citizens that McCain will cut their social security with privatization. The difference is rednecks and seniors I guess.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Obama is no saint. He has run ads telling senior citizens that McCain will cut their social security with privatization. The difference is rednecks and seniors I guess.

Attacking an opponent based on policy is not remotely comparable to attacking an opponent as "not like one of us" and being a "friend of terrorists."

[Kidlicious]

But McCain's plan wouldn't put current recipients benefits at risk.

[Boris Godunov]

If if so, how is that relevant to a thread regarding inciting hatred using personal attacks? There is no equivalency here. Policy attacks are fair game in any election, nobody argues that. It's the personal crud that's the issue.

[Kidlicious]

Those statements that his staff made are pretty bad. That doesn't seem like the McCain that defended Obama.

[DinoDoc]

Why is Ayers not an issue worthy of examination? The only problem with this line of attack IMO is that he's starting it so late in the game.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Those statements that his staff made are pretty bad. That doesn't seem like the McCain that defended Obama.

Doesn't the buck stop with McCain?

Has McCain bothered to come out and correct those statements? Not that I've seen.

If he can't control his own campaign in this regard, his leadership qualities are very questionable, to say the least.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why is Ayers not an issue worthy of examination? The only problem with this line of attack IMO is that he's starting it so late in the game.

1. There's nothing to the Ayers story. Even Illinois Republicans have defended Obama on this.

2. McCain/Palin haven't used Ayers to show bad judgment, they've used it to attack Obama's patriotism. Palin said he "pals around with terrorists," and that he "doesn't see America as you and I do." The obvious meaning of these statements is "Obama is un-American."

[Jon Miller]

The people I know voting for McCain are one of the following:

1. Vote republican no matter what
2. Vote pro-life no matter what
3. Think Obama will ruin the country like Carter
4. Think Obama un-american

Groups 3 and 4 aren't reasonable. Groups 1 and 2 are just a bit fanatical, which is reasonable (on the outliers).

JM
(How did Carter ruin the country anyways?)

[Velociryx]

The Keating Five are vastly more relevant, so I'll trade you one Ayers discussion for one Keating...any day, any time. (Obama was, after all, eight years old when his hippie friend was a radical, and the two were never involved in subversive dealings together. Their school won some awards tho...Contrast that with Keating and McCain's direct involvement with him....)

OH! I think we've discovered the secret of trickle down economics with the Keating thing though!

See...if you let the guy who's bribing you ALSO pay for your babysitter to come along on the trip....

-=Vel=-

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
(How did Carter ruin the country anyways?)

He led to Reagan becoming president.

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why is Ayers not an issue worthy of examination? The only problem with this line of attack IMO is that he's starting it so late in the game.

Because guilt by association is generally a moronic way of thinking, and that is especially true in this case.

Unless you can show that Ayers are committing some sort of criminal activty at the time that Obama knew him and Obama assisted that activity, either by sins of commission or ommission, there is absolutely no worth to this story.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GePap
there is absolutely no worth to this story.

Then why lie about how well he knew the man?

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Then why lie about how well he knew the man?

Given that him knowing Ayers, even having hanged out with Ayers, is a non-issue (Obama knows Chicago's Citizen of the Year 1997!! ), what he says about the relation is immaterial.