Drugs

[Felch]

Originally posted by LotC
That's not true. I've done acid well over 50 times, and while I have had a couple of bad trips they haven't had any lasting ill effects. I consider acid to be one of the safest drugs around if you are of sound mind. In fact, I think everyone should do it at least a couple of times in their lives and I believe it should be MANDATORY for anyone entering the field of mental health to do a practicum on it with an accompanying thesis.

If you're really interested in learning the facts about LSD check out some of Hoffman's writings, or read about some of the (non-CIA) research done in the 50s. It's not hippie ****** **** like Leary, and it's not fear-mongering DEA lies. It's good hard science.

For starters here's Albert Hoffman's LSD, My Problem Child

Here's a neat documentary. It's got some interviews, and tells the early history of LSD.

[Kidlicious]

How many times have you taken LSD Felch?

[LotC]

Originally posted by Felch




If you're really interested in learning the facts about LSD check out some of Hoffman's writings, or read about some of the (non-CIA) research done in the 50s. It's not hippie ****** **** like Leary, and it's not fear-mongering DEA lies. It's good hard science.

For starters here's Albert Hoffman's LSD, My Problem Child

Here's a neat documentary. It's got some interviews, and tells the early history of LSD.

I'll check the documentary out.

The main reason I can't stand hippies (and there are many) is that they forever tarnished the image of LSD. They never got past the wowie kazowie aspect of it, which I have found to be a natural progression with it. Once I gained a greater understanding of it and realized what it doing to me while I was on it my experiences with it matured past the flaky BS that hippies spout out.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
People that talk about losing the battle in Iraq need to look around our own country. War on drugs being a prime example. Let's don't legalize and tax it. That makes too much sense. Let's do 700 billion dollar bailouts and increase existing gas taxes and all others. Sure, that's smart.

Translation from texash to English please.

[Thue]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I wasn't really trying to argue with you, but since you think that I was I'll say that putting drug addicts in jail is generally good for children.

No, what I was saying that you were making a "think of the children" style argument (in addition to the straw man part of the argument)

Think of the children

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Thue


No, what I was saying that you were making a "think of the children" style argument (in addition to the straw man part of the argument)

Think of the children

What is the argument that a created a strawman argument around? Is it that drugs should be illegal? In that case isn't the fact that drug addicts in jail are better for the children than drug addicts out of jail relevant?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by LotC


That's not true. I've done acid well over 50 times, and while I have had a couple of bad trips they haven't had any lasting ill effects. I consider acid to be one of the safest drugs around if you are of sound mind. In fact, I think everyone should do it at least a couple of times in their lives and I believe it should be MANDATORY for anyone entering the field of mental health to do a practicum on it with an accompanying thesis.

QFT

[Blaupanzer]

Many of the problems with illegal drugs come from the fact that they are illegal. In that mode, they have wildly varying dosage, get mixed ("stepped on") with all kinds of trash chemicals (e.g., strychnine in LSD to "make it work quicker"), and are often simulated using other chemicals. Secondly, because they are illegal, people get locked up, with their reputations and lives ruined, for picking the wrong drug -- alcohol okay, marijuana not. Meth and crack were invented for the illegal market. If drugs were legal, even in a controlled environment, both drugs would disappear, replaced by controlled levels of cocaine and stimulants respectively that don't make users so very crazy. As to Heroin, that's a lost cause. The Germans tried for twenty years to make a LESS addicting form of morphine for use with chronic pain and came up with 96 versions of a nasty, addicting, anethesizing sleep agent drug instead.

What most of us don't know about the economy, corruption, and bureaucratic games that cause the drug war to continue has already filled many books. But everybody in the trade, on both sides, has lots more to gain out of it continuing, so they scare the Hell out of everyone with wild (one-time event) stories and rave about the CHILDREN. And we get deprived of reasonable recreational alternatives and a brisk legal trade with a good tax base.

No, I do not use any of them as a condition of my employment. But I do see the stupidity.

Not sure how easy it would be to "unscare" people even if you wanted to.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Blaupanzer
both drugs would disappear, replaced by controlled levels of cocaine and stimulants respectively that don't make users so very crazy.

Someone addicted to crack is not going to be satisfied with some cocaine that's been walked all over.