Drugs

[Seedle]

Thank you, Solomwi.

[SlowwHand]

People that talk about losing the battle in Iraq need to look around our own country. War on drugs being a prime example. Let's don't legalize and tax it. That makes too much sense. Let's do 700 billion dollar bailouts and increase existing gas taxes and all others. Sure, that's smart.

[Space05us]

Right? Lets grow coca and poppies instead, export it to Europe and make some cash! dtiwon!:

[Solomwi]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Is that where they have the big cats? I think I've heard of that but haven't been. I'll check it out. Thanx.

Not sure what big cats you're talking about. WMRF has a ****load of buffalo, longhorns and elk, plus a couple of prairie dog patches. It's down near Lawton, but I-44 pretty much all the way, so not a bad drive. Our main office was in Shawnee, and we had a satellite plant in Altus. Our Altus manager was driving back from a meeting at the main office one night and hit a buffalo doing about 30 through the refuge. Totalled his company truck, but according to him the buffalo just looked at him as if to say "Are you that ****ing stupid?" and walked off unharmed.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Space05us


I'm drunk, I'm scared enough not to touch other ****. Though I have considered trying mushrooms, acid, and marijuana for their perception altering effects.

I haven't tried them though because I don't feel like going psychotic (just yet).

Mushrooms and acid actually aren't as bad as the media has made them out to be. Mushrooms taste nasty, and might make you sick to your stomach, but are otherwise quite safe. Acid was given to psychiatric patients in the 50s for therapeutic purposes, and wasn't associated with causing any problems.

I believe that a lot of the stigma comes from ignorance and fear, coupled with bad science. The US government, for example, used to administer acid to unknowing subjects. That caused problems, because acid is kind of scary if you're not taking it on purpose.

The thing is, if you know what's going on (i.e. "I just took drugs that cause hallucinations, so I shouldn't be surprised when weird things happen") you'll be okay. Neither acid nor mushrooms have been linked to long term psychological effects (excluding DEA-funded hack science), and neither are addictive.

The real problem is finding them. Mushrooms are easy to find where they grow wild, but acid is damn near impossible.

[Jon Miller]

I know druggies who wouldn't touch acid for the longest time due to their parents/friends going scarily insane on it.

I personally haven't touched it, and don't plan on. It isn't safe.

JM

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Solomwi

Not sure what big cats you're talking about. WMRF has a ****load of buffalo, longhorns and elk, plus a couple of prairie dog patches. It's down near Lawton, but I-44 pretty much all the way, so not a bad drive. Our main office was in Shawnee, and we had a satellite plant in Altus. Our Altus manager was driving back from a meeting at the main office one night and hit a buffalo doing about 30 through the refuge. Totalled his company truck, but according to him the buffalo just looked at him as if to say "Are you that ****ing stupid?" and walked off unharmed.

The OKC Zoo has a new Native Oklahoma exhibit with those kinds of animals. It's pretty cool. The Zoo got a lot bigger though, and now I get tired walking through it.

[Kidlicious]

anti meth campaign in OK

Anti-meth campaign to take to the state's airwaves

OKLAHOMA CITY — The state is about to launch an all-out, prime-time assault against methamphetamine use.

Darrell Weaver, director of the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs Control, advised the District Attorneys Council board Thursday that most of the state's television stations have agreed to televise a 28-minute documentary on the state's meth problem simultaneously at 6:30 p.m. Jan. 13.

"Crystal Darkness Oklahoma" will launch what Weaver called an unprecedented grass-roots movement that will involve state agencies, law enforcement agencies, faith-based groups, civic organizations and educators in an attempt to make the public more aware of the dangers that meth poses to youths and their families.

On the night the documentary is aired, Weaver said, watch parties, community forums and town hall meetings will be held across the state. A hot line will be in place to address people who want help, have questions or want to report meth activity.

Because of the dangers of meth, Weaver said, those involved in the program will take multiple steps to ensure that it becomes more than a one-night effort.

More details are expected to be unveiled at a news conference next week.

Oklahoma first lady Kim Henry and Wes Lane of the Burbridge Foundation will be co-chairmen of the awareness campaign, which was first used in Nevada.

Paul Sund, a spokesman for Gov. Brad Henry, said the campaign has been effective in addressing parents' fears and getting the message out about the dangers of meth.

Meth reportedly ranks among the top three illegal drugs of choice in Oklahoma.

It is now considered the state's biggest substance-abuse problem behind alcohol because of how rapidly it hooks people and the physical and mental toll it takes on users.

[Thue]

Originally posted by Kidicious
The goal is prevention. You have to show kids that there is a connection between using drugs and ending up in prison or in other situations.

There's a campaign going on against meth right now that is very good. It's coming to Oklahoma. It's an hour show that they are playing on all the tv channels. It makes meth use look very bad so that kids won't want to start using it.

This is what has to be done because kids don't connect using those dangerous drugs with the bad results that come with it until it's too late and they are addicted.

If the drugs are so obviously bad then tell people about the obvious bad effects. No reason to put people in jail for victimless crime.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Thue
If the drugs are so obviously bad then tell people about the obvious bad effects. No reason to put people in jail for victimless crime.

Jail is actually a better place for them. I'd prefer there be better treatment in jail though, and shorter sentences.

[Thue]

Since

1) you don't seem to believe that marijuana should be legalized
2) marijuana is less dangerous than tobacco or alcohol
3) you believe that people who use dangerous drugs should go to jail

I assume you think that everybody who drinks or smokes should go to jail?

[Felch]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Jail is actually a better place for them.

?

A couple questions.

Ever been locked up?

What are you comparing jail to, in terms of "better"? Some slum, or some decent house in the burbs?

When did we start to believe that it's anybody else's business to fix other people? The government in our country exists to protect our rights, not to make us better people.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Thue
Since

1) you don't seem to believe that marijuana should be legalized
2) marijuana is less dangerous than tobacco or alcohol
3) you believe that people who use dangerous drugs should go to jail

I assume you think that everybody who drinks or smokes should go to jail?

Marijuana I don't have any strong opinions about. I smoke it myself on occassion. As far as alcohol, I drink it on occassion and I don't believe in the way that people are put in jail for drunk in public. A friend of mine spent 7 months in jail for it, and he didn't get any treatment at all.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Felch


?

A couple questions.

Ever been locked up?

What are you comparing jail to, in terms of "better"? Some slum, or some decent house in the burbs?

When did we start to believe that it's anybody else's business to fix other people? The government in our country exists to protect our rights, not to make us better people.

I agree that the conditions in jails need to be greatly improved, especially in states like mine, OK.

As for fixing people, I think that society has the right to fix situations which hurt it.

[Felch]

I think better is relative. For people with mental illness, jail is better. But we should always be wary of extending state powers to "fix" people. It would suck if the shoe were on the other foot, and suddenly we're the ones being fixed.