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  • U.S. Violates NK Nuke Accord

    It took over a month, but the NYT has finally published a backhanded admission that it was the Bush administration--not North Korea-- that violated the Korean peninsula denuclearization agreement and seems to have scuttled the entire negotiation. As North Korea declared last month, the US was obliged under the "action for action" agreement to remove it from its "terror list" in return for NK's nuclear declaration and substantial
    dismantling of its Yongbyon nuclear facility by August 11. When it refused to meet that obligation and instead demanded NK meet wholly new conditions on verification not part of the agreement before it would take NK off that list.The Koreans cried "foul" and after several warnings to the US to meet its obligation, finally decided to restart its facility and tell the US it no longer wants off the list. The US has consistently maintained NK is bluffing.

    A long article "Korea Bars Monitors" (Sept 25) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/wo...html?ref=asia, reported:

    "North Korea’s negotiators have strenuously complained that the Bush administration has yet to fulfill its promise to remove North Korea from a list of state sponsors of terrorism, as President Bush announced in June that he was prepared to do, and instead has made new demands.

    Those include requiring North Korea to accept the verification system before the United States would carry out reciprocal steps, a condition that a senior administration official acknowledged was not put in writing." The anonymous official was probably Chris Hill, who negotiated the agreement and knew that agreement did not condition the US "terror" delisting on a NK agreement on verification.

    The article goes on to quote former officials in a more nuanced--but not altogether clear-way than previous reporting.

    “It is, I think, more serious than just brinkmanship on the part of the North Koreans,” said Charles L. Pritchard, a former ambassador and special envoy for talks with North Korea who is now president of the Korean Economic Institute in Washington. “They’re trying to recoup what they’ve given away for nothing, from their point of view.”

    Derek J. Mitchell, a former Defense Department official now at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said that the American insistence on extracting a verification system was justified and probably difficult for Mr. Bush and his most hawkish aides to accept otherwise.

    “I’m not sure any action can be taken, or is politically viable, without a demonstration of North Korean good faith,” he said.

    At the same time, though, Mr. Mitchell noted that the United States had so far not conceded much, undercutting the process.

    While Mr. Bush gave Congress 45 days notice that he intended to remove North Korea from a list of terrorist sponsors, he did not take that step before that window closed on Aug. 11. Also, he lifted sanctions under the Trading With the Enemy Act but imposed new ones under a little publicized emergency declaration he issued the same day in June.

    “We haven’t given up much yet,” Mr. Mitchell said, adding that he, like others, assumed that there was little chance for an agreement during the final months of this administration. “Meanwhile, they have frozen their program. It is step by step, action for action. We can’t cut corners.”



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    Just the other day, NK asked the IAEA to remove seals on their nuclear weapons program. Yet again, the U.S. has destabilized the world.
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    Leave.
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    • #3
      You leave. Once people like you stop ****ing up America, we can stop America from ****ing up the world.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles
        You leave. Once people like you stop ****ing up America, we can stop America from ****ing up the world.
        no, u.

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        • #5

          he lifted sanctions under the Trading With the Enemy Act but imposed new ones under a little publicized emergency declaration he issued the same day in June.


          I think that's awesome.

          Honestly, the DPRK is about as evil as it gets. Only true scumbags think it's anything else. If Uncle Sam sticks his dick in Kimmy's ear, and tells him it's a finger, that's just the sort of skull-****ing those bastards deserve.
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          • #6
            Except the idea is to get them to stop building nukes, not give them an incentive.
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            • #7
              So DPRK gives us a bunch of crap in a report that they refuse to verify and the US is the bad guy.

              I see.
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              • #8
                Honestly, this is old news, and yes - a tremendous failure on the US's part. NK's dismantlement of Yongbyon was quite sensational when I heard about it, considering the world community had been pursuing that very goal for many a year.

                The paradox of the Bush doctrine that makes hostile states like Iran and NK increase their efforts in acquiring a nuke has been demonstrated clearly over the past few years (with the exception of Libya, but that's because Khadafi had his own agenda and needed to create some quick goodwill).

                It's insanely stupid to let a golden opportunity like this slip away for some obscure reason. Whatever the regime of the country involved, that's entirely irrelevant. In fact I'd rather engage in sensible diplomacy with some crazy ass madafakas like Kim Jong Il than isolate them entirely and let them get a nuke with which they can terrorize the entire neighbourhood.

                The mind-boggling stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me. Bush had at least one chance to redeem (albeit in tiny part) his series of failed external policy decisions, and then the US does this. Not only makes it the world unsafer, the reigning dictatorship will merely be perpetuated even longer, and the local populace will continue to suffer because of it.


                On occasion it's you that have to be smart and lure your asshat opponent into reform instead of expecting unconditional change from your opponent's part. Foreign politics 101 is clearly necesarry for some Yanks I notice once again.
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                • #9
                  Except the idea is to get them to stop building nukes, not give them an incentive.
                  Hmm. OK, how 'bout this?

                  "If you build nukes, or even attempt to build nukes, or we even THINK you are ATTEMPTING to build nukes, we are going to carpet bomb you back to the Stone Age."

                  How's that for an incentive?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by David Floyd
                    "If you build nukes, or even attempt to build nukes, or we even THINK you are ATTEMPTING to build nukes, we are going to carpet bomb you back to the Stone Age."

                    How's that for an incentive?
                    How would they notice?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by David Floyd


                      Hmm. OK, how 'bout this?

                      "If you build nukes, or even attempt to build nukes, or we even THINK you are ATTEMPTING to build nukes, we are going to carpet bomb you back to the Stone Age."

                      How's that for an incentive?
                      Then they would instantaneously unleash their missiles and army on South-Korea and Japan if feasible.
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                      • #12
                        NK wants nukes? We should send them some.
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                        • #13
                          They just want to be friends. It's not fair at all to treat them with such rigor and suspicion.

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                          • #14
                            FACT! NK is like a babe in the woods among the wolves.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by David Floyd


                              Hmm. OK, how 'bout this?

                              "If you build nukes, or even attempt to build nukes, or we even THINK you are ATTEMPTING to build nukes, we are going to carpet bomb you back to the Stone Age."

                              How's that for an incentive?
                              But what's stopping you from bombing us to the stone age anyway?


                              You see the only country that is 100% safe from US attack is not a US ally but a nation with nukes.


                              So if you think you can get nukes fast enough while the US is busy, say hypothetically in a long term occupation of foreign country or supporting a unstable pupet regime you should really go for it. Its the best strategy.
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