EU warns Iran close to nuclear arms capacity

[Lancer]

Originally posted by David Floyd
That's why I said I imagined we'd let Israel do it

Yeah, that would help alot.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by PLATO


Actually it is very easy to trace nukes. The plants that provide the fissil material leave a type of isotopic signature.

Who wants to bet that if Israel pops a nuke on somebody that the signature is for the Savannah River plant?

Read the book, watched the flick. It could also very easily be Russian material. (No matter who delivers it and where) There's was enough of it floating around.

There are just too many nuke use scenarios out there for comfort.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by onodera

Word. Israel has indicated its willingness to attack Iran first already.
Islamic judges may be fundamentalists, but they're not complete nutjobs. They're not going to drop the bomb on Tel-Aviv just because they made one.

I agree. But note: I didn't say "use;" I said "get."

To use a nuclear weapon against a nuclear power is not a good idea.

[Lancer]

There's plenty of people there that will walk onto a bus and blow themselves up. They die in the conflagration they started. That's pretty much normal.

[Zkribbler]

But the fissile materials can be traced back to the reactor that made it. Then the nation that sent the bomber will be retaliated against. National leaders may encourage their people to be suicide bombers, but it's not a job they want for themselves.

[Lancer]

That's what I hope when I say Israel should have boomers. However who knows? Having nukes in the hands of a nation whose citizens willingly blow themselves up is scary. Who the heck knows what such are thinking? We know what the Brits are thinking, we know what the French and Israelis and Russians are thinking. While its lots of different things usually in the mix is, 'I don't want to die today'. That may not be the case with these guys. We hope, that's it. We don't know.

[Main_Brain]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


Do these ships fire cruise missles from their torpedo tubes, or do they have vertical missle tubes? Why would Germany be building nuclear missle capable submarines? They haven't been allowed to have their own nuclear weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing

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http://www.bpb.de/publikationen/LDER...land.html#art1 (german)

[BeBMan]

Well, "Nuclear sharing" or not, the final decision about those nukes is in the hands of the owners of the codes, not the non-nuclear NATO members. So "sharing" is a glorified term for "we (US, UK) use *your* military hardware (like aircraft) for delivering *our* nukes when we want to". The only limit is that the "partners" could say no to this (by not providing their own hardware), but in any case they have no real control over those nukes.

As for the subs, these are esp. modified for Israel IIRC so I dunno if they are prepared to launch nukes.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by onodera

Word. Israel has indicated its willingness to attack Iran first already.
Islamic judges may be fundamentalists, but they're not complete nutjobs. They're not going to drop the bomb on Tel-Aviv just because they made one.

I thought Russia wasn't helping Iran build a nuke and its program was only for peaceful purposes.

[onodera]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I thought Russia wasn't helping Iran build a nuke and its program was only for peaceful purposes.

We *are* helping Iran build a nuclear power plant. No idea what they're going to do with it.