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    Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama

    By RON FOURNIER and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.

    The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004 — about two and one-half percentage points.

    Certainly, Republican John McCain has his own obstacles: He's an ally of an unpopular president and would be the nation's oldest first-term president. But Obama faces this: 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents.

    More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can't win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views.

    Such numbers are a harsh dose of reality in a campaign for the history books. Obama, the first black candidate with a serious shot at the presidency, accepted the Democratic nomination on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech, a seminal moment for a nation that enshrined slavery in its Constitution.

    "There are a lot fewer bigots than there were 50 years ago, but that doesn't mean there's only a few bigots," said Stanford political scientist Paul Sniderman who helped analyze the exhaustive survey.

    The pollsters set out to determine why Obama is locked in a close race with McCain even as the political landscape seems to favor Democrats. President Bush's unpopularity, the Iraq war and a national sense of economic hard times cut against GOP candidates, as does that fact that Democratic voters outnumber Republicans.

    The findings suggest that Obama's problem is close to home — among his fellow Democrats, particularly non-Hispanic white voters. Just seven in 10 people who call themselves Democrats support Obama, compared to the 85 percent of self-identified Republicans who back McCain.

    The survey also focused on the racial attitudes of independent voters because they are likely to decide the election.

    Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn't vote for any Democrat for president — white, black or brown.

    Not all whites are prejudiced. Indeed, more whites say good things about blacks than say bad things, the poll shows. And many whites who see blacks in a negative light are still willing or even eager to vote for Obama.

    On the other side of the racial question, the Illinois Democrat is drawing almost unanimous support from blacks, the poll shows, though that probably wouldn't be enough to counter the negative effect of some whites' views.

    Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates. More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that.

    Three in 10 of those Democrats who don't trust Obama's change-making credentials say they plan to vote for McCain.

    Still, the effects of whites' racial views are apparent in the polling.

    Statistical models derived from the poll suggest that Obama's support would be as much as 6 percentage points higher if there were no white racial prejudice.
    Now can all the people here who have said racism is no longer a factor in the U.S. please post here so you can properly and mercilessly be mocked.

    And although this points to dems, the yahoo poll noted independents and especially republicans were much worse.
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    The sooner the Hispanic and Afro-American communities outnumber the white trash, the better.
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    • #3
      Re: Race may account for 6 pts. in election

      Originally posted by Theben


      Now can all the people here who have said racism is no longer a factor in the U.S. please post here so you can properly and mercilessly be mocked.

      And although this points to dems, the yahoo poll noted independents and especially republicans were much worse.
      That's your personal spin on it. The article contradicts you.

      Whaleboy, you can kiss my ass. Who is the bigot, no matter how little sense it makes?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Whaleboy
        The sooner the Hispanic and Afro-American communities outnumber the white trash, the better.
        You should talk. You're pasty Welshman with a family history of opium use. I'd like to see statistics as to how many of your countrymen would vote for a black PM of the UK.

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        • #5
          How is "responsible for their own troubles" a negative view of the blacks?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by onodera
            How is "responsible for their own troubles" a negative view of the blacks?
            It implies that the socio-economic problems that affect blacks is solely on their shoulders, due to their own laziness, or because they aren't smart enough, or what have you, instead of taking into consideration the huge disadvantage blacks faced first while considered slaves, then under the bigoted governing and policies that persisted after the Civil War.

            I feel that a significant amount of the problems facing the black community have been made worse by their own decisions, but I can acknowledge history and see that there is plenty of blame to go around.

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            • #7
              Race to the White House.
              Blah

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              • #8
                As I stated in a thread a week or more ago, if the Dems lose it will be because we are racists, not because they ran an idiotic strategy.

                I believe they will lose because they have disrespected...

                Women
                Particularly working mothers
                Old folks
                People who live in small towns
                Gun owners
                People who don't use computers
                The handicapped
                edit: forgot...People who believe in God

                ...and anyone who feels sympathy for any one of these group.

                However the left will say we're racists who hate blacks because that's what they say. This in a day where the beloved #1 guy on the golf tours is black, the honored football players of the NFL are largely black, the NBA is basicly black. I mean who gives a crap? That doesn't stop people from all races going to the games with cheese on their heads and being loyal fans.

                It's the left that perpetuates this myth so they can use public money to buy votes.

                There's still racists in all races, but they are marginal. Folks like Obama's priest. Once they expose themselves as racists they are ostracized by their community. I assume Obama's priest was ostracized not only by Obama but by his community, right? Obama wasn't the only one?
                Last edited by Lancer; September 20, 2008, 14:29.
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                • #9
                  People who don't use computers don't deserve any better. Plus without internet they wouldn't notice anyway
                  Blah

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                  • #10
                    You should look for a job in the party.
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                    • #11
                      This thread sucks, but everyone should see Burn After Reading

                      Great movie

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                      • #12
                        Re: Re: Race may account for 6 pts. in election

                        Originally posted by SlowwHand
                        That's your personal spin on it. The article contradicts you.
                        OOPS! Too bad, how sad, not my spin sorry.



                        U R teh tool and teh fool. Ha HAH!!
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                        • #13
                          Who really thinks that Obama will lose more votes than he gets due to his race? I see it as a huge bonus for him. Maybe even enough make up for the mothers the left have alienated.
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                          • #14
                            How has the left alienated mothers? To which tempest-in-a-teacup are you referring?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Lancer
                              Who really thinks that Obama will lose more votes than he gets due to his race?

                              Really?


                              You're serious?


                              There is no way you are serious about this.
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