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He was rising to Clinton's defense after someone said that he was relieved that she wasn't the pick. Pretty classy, really. But I agree, I was hoping Clinton was the pick.
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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yup.
Clinton would mean no Palin would mean much less energized base/same old same old, would mean Obama up comfortably.
I probably would have voted Obama/Clinton, esp against McCain Romney.Comment
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She won't be ready. She could be VP for Hillary.Originally posted by Zkribbler
President Chelsea Clinton 2016.
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asleep, I don't understand voters like you. Clinton and Biden (and Obama, for that matter) have very similar positions, while Romney's probably more moderate, with a much more impressive record of accomplishments, than Palin (even if he acts like a crazy man on TV)."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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There are an ass-load of people just like me out there, I know quite a few personally, including my (quite) gay boss.Originally posted by Ramo
asleep, I don't understand voters like you. Clinton and Biden (and Obama, for that matter) have very similar positions, while Romney's probably more moderate, with a much more impressive record of accomplishments, than Palin (even if he acts like a crazy man on TV).
I just trust Clinton and her judgment, I do not trust Obama and his judgment, but would have more faith in a ticket with Clinton. Biden I think is a nut who will say anything at anytime (which is fun, of course). Likewise, I trust McCain and his experience and don't care about Palin's lack thereof, as she's the number 2 and I assume McCain will survive at least 2 years into his term. Romney I don't like. I think its the tan.
Really, I want a strong leader, which I view both Clinton and McCain to be, but not Obama.Last edited by asleepathewheel; September 11, 2008, 02:12.Comment
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No reasonable person could look at the way Clinton ran her own campaign and come to the conclusion that she's a strong leader.Originally posted by asleepathewheel
Really, I want a strong leader, which I view both Clinton and McCain to be, but not Obama."I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George CarlinComment
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Disagree. I think Clinton would've fired up the Republican base just as well as Palin.Clinton would mean no Palin would mean much less energized base
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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I just trust Clinton and her judgment, I do not trust Obama and his judgment, but would have more faith in a ticket with Clinton. Biden I think is a nut who will say anything at anytime (which is fun, of course).
I don't understand this. If Biden's willing to say anything at anytime, so's Clinton. If Clinton has a strong judgment, so does Obama and Biden. Look at their records. You can't really separate the three (all are basically in the middle of the Senate Dem caucus), and at the same time loop McCain in with Clinton. It isn't logically coherent.
Specifically, what do you think being a strong leader entails, and why do you think Clinton (but not Obama) fits the bill? As Rufus pointed out, Obama certainly ran a much tighter ship during the campaign."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I think that a lot of the punditry failed to realize all of the Republicans who were crossing over to Hillary because they legitimately liked her as a candidate. They kept saying that it was just to disrupt the Dem primaries, but that was silly. And they thought that spending 8 years in the WH as an incredibly powerful First Lady did impart some experience to her.Originally posted by asleepathewheel
There are an ass-load of people just like me out there, I know quite a few personally, including my (quite) gay boss.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
Indiana and Florida definitely are. Ohio is looking tougher with every poll.
Florida is dead even by the way. McCain CAN'T win with out both of those states unless he can take Michigan which hasn't gone Republican in 20 years but is also dead even in the polls, while taking either Ohio or Florida. The way i see it, if McCain loses either Ohio or Florida Obama is your president.A new poll has Barack Obama edging ahead of Republican rival John McCain in Ohio.
The Quinnipiac University survey of nearly 1,400 likely Ohio voters shows 49 support Democrat Obama, 44 percent are for McCain. In a similar poll last month, the two presidential candidates were about even.Strength & Honor!Comment
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Change the constitution and you could get Schwarzenegger vs Mad AlbrightSo get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!Comment
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On the other hand:Originally posted by Zenn-La
Florida is dead even by the way. McCain CAN'T win with out both of those states unless he can take Michigan which hasn't gone Republican in 20 years but is also dead even in the polls, while taking either Ohio or Florida. The way i see it, if McCain loses either Ohio or Florida Obama is your president.
InAdv/Poll Position has McCain up by 1 and Strategic Vision has him up by 4.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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I know that in the Obama camp running a campaign is the equivalent of running the government, but come on now.Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
No reasonable person could look at the way Clinton ran her own campaign and come to the conclusion that she's a strong leader.Comment
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I think Obama is a wimp, basically. A good speech, but I have no faith in him dealing with, for example Iran.Originally posted by Ramo
I just trust Clinton and her judgment, I do not trust Obama and his judgment, but would have more faith in a ticket with Clinton. Biden I think is a nut who will say anything at anytime (which is fun, of course).
I don't understand this. If Biden's willing to say anything at anytime, so's Clinton. If Clinton has a strong judgment, so does Obama and Biden. Look at their records. You can't really separate the three (all are basically in the middle of the Senate Dem caucus), and at the same time loop McCain in with Clinton. It isn't logically coherent.
Specifically, what do you think being a strong leader entails, and why do you think Clinton (but not Obama) fits the bill? As Rufus pointed out, Obama certainly ran a much tighter ship during the campaign.Comment
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Schwarzenegger can't even run California.Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
Change the constitution and you could get Schwarzenegger vs Mad Albright
On the other hand, McCain has described his Iran policy in the world's of the Beach Boys' song: "Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran." Saber rattling like that will certainly get them to give up their quest for nuclear weapons.I think Obama is a wimp, basically. A good speech, but I have no faith in him dealing with, for example Iran.
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