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    An open question: should children be trained, as a part of their normal education, in combat and fighting? I mean the whole range of combat, or some suitable subset thereof - unarmed, hand-to-hand fighting, then fighting with swords/sticks, and finally with guns.

    There are a few reasons I think this is necessary.

    First of all, self-esteem, or rather, confidence. All this modernist crap about encouraging self-esteem is nothing compared to one month of intense training in fighting. Your self-esteem increases dramatically when you can genuinely respect both yourself and others, and fighting and combat teach this like no other discipline can. In fact, I'd propose a test. Take two groups of children. Teach one bunch of kids combat and fighting for one month. The other should do "self-esteem building exercises" as prescribed by the custodians of current educational culture. Then test the self-esteem and confidence of both. I'd bet a thousand bucks the fighters would be in a higher league.

    Secondly, the effect on the nature of the citizenry. Fighting and combat inculcate, at the tip of the sword, the values of self-reliance, independence, and the respect and camaraderie of the strong. These are the fundamental values necessary in today's world.

    Thirdly, the effect on culture. A culture in which the majority are free men who know how to fight, or can at least defend themselves coherently when attacked, is not one to fall easily. It is also one which will not cave under pressure, will handle crises gracefully, and will not sacrifice its integrity for immediate gain. Cultures are not entities with no connection to its constituents, it is an expression of the nature of the strongest within it. All this modern effeteness will go away with the implementation of this measure.

    Fourthly, and lastly, this is tremendously useful from purely a policy point of view, as the government has a hugely expanded base of potential recruits for its armed forces. In essence, if invaded, the entire country can be turned into one big army just by giving each man a gun.

    A note: I am not saying that children should be given actual guns, swords, or whatnot, merely that they be trained in their use. For instance, hand-to-hand fighting can be done with either partners or with a coach, with rules to prevent the more damaging of injuries. The rest is character-building. Swordfighting can be done with blunt wooden swords instead of sharp metal blades. As for combat training and commando operations, you always have Airsoft. Modify the pellets to not hurt so much if that is a consideration.

    EDIT: This is meant to be something you do as part of your education, not apart from it.

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    I've always thought that small countries should convert their pocket-sized armed forces into engineering crews to build up the infrastructure and that these nations should rely upon the U.N., NATO, the OAS, etc. for their military protection. Their armed forces aren't big enough to protect them and their main use appears to be to overthrow the government.

    However, for the nation to have SOME way of self protection, it should train all of its children in unarmed martial arts. If any big nation decided to invade, it could walk in, but then it'd be facing an angry nation of hand-to-hand specialists, who could never be disarmed.

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    • #3
      Indiana Jones already answered this question.
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      • #4
        In the sense of sports it can be good, in the sense of 'real' (war-like) combat it has no place in a modern society.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by BeBro
          In the sense of sports it can be good, in the sense of 'real' (war-like) combat it has no place in a modern society.
          I usually agree with BeBro

          No need to break tradition

          I think we should not as part of real life survival of fittest, training as militia, absolutely not.

          I also dont feel we should "force" sports on any child, I think many children are forced to live out the fantasy of their parents.

          Sports can and will promote healthy competition, team work and self esteem but can also be detrimental to many who just dont want that.

          Exposure should be offered but if not something a child endears themselves to, then why force the issue?

          Just old Gramps view from many years of observations

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          • #6
            Re: Should children be trained in combat and fighting?

            Originally posted by aneeshm
            An open question: should children be trained, as a part of their normal education, in combat and fighting? I mean the whole range of combat, or some suitable subset thereof - unarmed, hand-to-hand fighting, then fighting with swords/sticks, and finally with guns.

            There are a few reasons I think this is necessary.

            First of all, self-esteem, or rather, confidence. All this modernist crap about encouraging self-esteem is nothing compared to one month of intense training in fighting. Your self-esteem increases dramatically when you can genuinely respect both yourself and others, and fighting and combat teach this like no other discipline can. In fact, I'd propose a test. Take two groups of children. Teach one bunch of kids combat and fighting for one month. The other should do "self-esteem building exercises" as prescribed by the custodians of current educational culture. Then test the self-esteem and confidence of both. I'd bet a thousand bucks the fighters would be in a higher league.

            Secondly, the effect on the nature of the citizenry. Fighting and combat inculcate, at the tip of the sword, the values of self-reliance, independence, and the respect and camaraderie of the strong. These are the fundamental values necessary in today's world.

            Thirdly, the effect on culture. A culture in which the majority are free men who know how to fight, or can at least defend themselves coherently when attacked, is not one to fall easily. It is also one which will not cave under pressure, will handle crises gracefully, and will not sacrifice its integrity for immediate gain. Cultures are not entities with no connection to its constituents, it is an expression of the nature of the strongest within it. All this modern effeteness will go away with the implementation of this measure.

            Fourthly, and lastly, this is tremendously useful from purely a policy point of view, as the government has a hugely expanded base of potential recruits for its armed forces. In essence, if invaded, the entire country can be turned into one big army just by giving each man a gun.

            A note: I am not saying that children should be given actual guns, swords, or whatnot, merely that they be trained in their use. For instance, hand-to-hand fighting can be done with either partners or with a coach, with rules to prevent the more damaging of injuries. The rest is character-building. Swordfighting can be done with blunt wooden swords instead of sharp metal blades. As for combat training and commando operations, you always have Airsoft. Modify the pellets to not hurt so much if that is a consideration.

            EDIT: This is meant to be something you do as part of your education, not apart from it.
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            • #7
              I think basic hand-to-hand combat should be taught at school.
              1. It promotes discipline and self-discipline.
              2. It might prove useful later in life when some junkie decides to pawn your mobile phone.
              3. It might reduce bullying, though this might count as self-discipline.

              I do not think shooting should be taught, though. The US has a gun culture with NRA and blowing prairie dogs apart with sniper rifles and black people holding their guns sideways, Switzerland and Russia have consripted armies, and Western Europeans are pussies anyway.
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              • #8
                As long as they're taught that violence should only be used against Muslims and never the Hindu master race, sure.
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                • #9
                  I'm with Gramps and BeBro. Children learn to face life's harsh realities fast enough.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by onodera
                    I think basic hand-to-hand combat should be taught at school.
                    1. It promotes discipline and self-discipline.

                    Absolutely, and I didn't see that Cuban taekwando bloke kick the referee in the head either.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by onodera
                      2. It might prove useful later in life when some junkie decides to pawn your mobile phone.
                      Will the junkie have not taken the same classes?
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                      • #12
                        I think the notion that enforced studying of martial arts would make people disciplined is crap.
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                        • #13
                          They should be trained for futuristic warfare... make them play FPS games to gain skills that will be valuable sometime int he future when all wars are fought with mechs and drones. (Or in RPGs for when wars are fought with elves and boobies.)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp

                            Absolutely, and I didn't see that Cuban taekwando bloke kick the referee in the head either.
                            But he was practicing foot-to-head combat, not hand-to-hand combat, that's different
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                            • #15
                              Yes, children should be viable targets.
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