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  • #16
    In order for Hillary to win in '12, this nation would have to have more lesbians per capita than Lesbos.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Heraclitus


      Yay no more Reagan!

      We still have reaganomics though.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kidicious


        Yay no more Reagan!

        We still have reaganomics though.
        Reagan is gone, but now all the crap I say seems more reasonable cause people imagine Hugh Laurie saying it with that well rehearsed US accent of his.


        Constant sarcasm, dismissive demeanor and generally behaving like a jerk feel so natural.... in any case and the reference is waaay better since I'm actually on pain meds currently.
        Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
        The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
        The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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        • #19
          BTW reaganomics
          Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
          The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
          The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Heraclitus
            BTW reaganomics
            I agree, Reagon's economic policy was a complete shambles, the legacy of which hampered the US. Clinton had success in re addressing the damage but then there was GWB.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by rah
              I hope McCain goes with the LIEB, since it will piss off the far right, and maybe attract some of the undecided dems that aren't bedazzeled by "THE ONE"
              Right now, I'm leaning toward voting for Barack Obama ... but if John McCain were to select Joe Lieberman as his vice-presidential candidate *and* vow to serve only one term as president (both ideas are circulating, if nothing else), that would probably return me to the "undecided" slot.

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              • #22
                Speaking as an independent who's not sold on Obama as "THE ONE", Lieberman would make me run the other way.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Gatekeeper


                  Right now, I'm leaning toward voting for Barack Obama ... but if John McCain were to select Joe Lieberman as his vice-presidential candidate *and* vow to serve only one term as president (both ideas are circulating, if nothing else), that would probably return me to the "undecided" slot.

                  Gatekeeper
                  Can you say "Lame duck on Inauguration Day" three times fast? That would be the end of any hope for a Republican president this time around. Evangelicals are already ambivalent on McCain (what with his incessant flip-flopping and transparent pandering) and they aren't found of the fact that despite being a hawk (which they love) Lieberman is still fairly liberal. Though, they do hate them some freaky Mormons more than they hate Joe, so Mittens might be an even worse choice ... nevermind the fact that Romney has a liberal record as governor and even McCain himself hammered Mittens for being, you know, liberal during the Republican primaries.
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                  • #24
                    Biden is the VP, Excellent choice.
                    Strength & Honor!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Zenn-La
                      Biden is the VP, Excellent choice.
                      Sen. Barack Obama has selected Delaware Sen. Joe Biden as his running mate, according to his official Web site and a text message the campaign sent to supporters on Saturday.


                      Delaware Sen. Joe Biden is Sen. Barack Obama's choice to be his vice-presidential running mate.

                      "Barack has chosen Senator Joe Biden to be our VP nominee," the text message, sent at around 3 a.m. ET, said.

                      "Joe and I will appear for the first time as running mates this afternoon in Springfield, Illinois -- the same place this campaign began more than 19 months ago," Obama said in an e-mail sent to supporters Saturday morning.

                      "I'm excited about hitting the campaign trail with Joe, but the two of us can't do this alone," he wrote. " We need your help to keep building this movement for change."

                      Before the text messages were distributed, multiple Democratic sources confirmed to CNN early Saturday that Obama selected the Delaware senator as his vice-president.

                      On Friday, CNN learned three Democrats who had been considered contenders for the No. 2 spot, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh and Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, had been ruled out. Watch CNN's John King break news of Biden being Obama's VP pick »

                      Biden was long considered a possible choice for vice president, but the buzz surrounding him intensified after he returned earlier this week from a two-day trip to the Republic of Georgia after Russian troops invaded.

                      Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, brings years of experience that could help counter GOP arguments that an Obama administration would be inexperienced on foreign policy. Watch what Biden would bring to an Obama presidency »

                      Sen. John McCain's campaign quickly reacted to word that Biden would be Obama's running mate, calling attention to Biden's past comments about Obama's experience.

                      "There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience than Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written statement.

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                      "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."

                      In a debate during the Democratic primary contest, Biden raised questions about Obama's foreign policy experience.

                      "Who among us is going to be able on day one to step in an end the war? Who among us understands what to do about Pakistan? Who among us is going to pick up the phone and immediately interface with Putin and tell him to lay off Georgia because Saakashvili is in real trouble. Who among us knows what they're doing? I have 35 years of experience," Biden said.

                      During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to some of Biden's comments on Obama.

                      "You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training,'" Stephanopoulos said.

                      "I think I stand by that statement," Biden replied.

                      Biden, in a July interview, said he would choose Obama's judgment over John McCain's war record and foreign policy experience.

                      "But 20 years of experience that has not been very solid in terms of projecting what was going to happen just doesn't make you a better commander-in-chief," Biden said. "We don't need as a commander-in-chief a war hero. John's a war hero. We need someone with some wisdom."

                      Biden abandoned his own White House run after a poor showing in Iowa's first-in-the-nation caucuses. He also ran for the 1988 Democratic presidential nomination but dropped out after charges of plagiarism in a stump speech.

                      The 65-year-old was first elected to the Senate in 1972. Shortly afterwards, his first wife and daughter were killed in a car accident. He considered resigning, but decided to continue with his political career.

                      Biden is currently serving out his sixth term, making him Delaware's longest-serving senator.

                      Biden is married and has three children. He received his undergraduate degree from the University of Delaware and got a law degree from Syracuse.

                      In 1988, Biden suffered an aneurysm and nearly died but has recovered fully.


                      One of Biden's grandfathers was a Pennsylvania state senator, according to the Almanac of American Politics.

                      Biden will make his first big speech as the vice-presidential candidate on Wednesday, August 27 -- the third night of the Democratic convention
                      Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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                      • #26
                        Re: Obama trying to piss the Clintons off?

                        Originally posted by DanS
                        The Politico is reporting that Clinton wasn't vetted for Obama's VP slot. I would have at least expected Obama's folks to go through the motions of the process to soothe Clinton's ego.

                        What does Obama gain by pissing the Clintons off? They're still powerful in the party and could have helped him a good bit in the general election.
                        He's letting both Bill & Hillary speak at the convention. He could have closed them both down. He says nothing but nice things about them. So, you think they'll get pissed at him because he didn't lead Hillary on with false hopes?

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                        • #27
                          They'll be pissed at him because he kicked their sorry asses right round the country.
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                          • #28
                            As I understand it, Hillary wasn't vetted because doing so would have required a massive amount of work on account of the "murky sources of funding" for Bill's foundation. In fact, there was an anonymous source in Newsweek today saying that Hillary wasn't interested in going through that.
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                            • #29
                              Biden is Catholic so that's a plus for me. Probably a negative for all you Catholic-haters!
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                              • #30
                                Reaganomics? Bush Jr seems to be a case of the student surpassing the teacher...
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