The Cold War is Back, can we Make Lemonade?

[Lancer]

Its silver lining time...

During the cold war we at least knew who our friends and enemies were, but of course there was always the French.

If there was a problem elsewhere in the world it was inevitably the fault of either Washington, Moscow, or the SLA, but that's a whole other story. The French never became the problem they imagined themselves to be.

No, it was all about who had the biggest empire. When we compare empires today the Russian has certainly shriveled while the US has erected a HUGE one.

Putin knows this, and it doesn't make him HappyPutin. So, we now have the rather unimpressive rape if Georgia, and a return to the stability of the cold war.

This time, its Russia's fault.

...and THAT'S the silver lining. Nobody is thinking about Iraq anymore or picking on our Bush, who has the real Evil Empire back again. (The axis of evil never measured up)

The allies are acting like allies again, the enemy is back to being the enemy. The presidents are being presidential, its all sunshine in NATO time.

[MrFun]

Was the distinction between fantasy and science fiction more clear-cut during the Cold War compared to today?

[Propaganda]

Die Russen Kommen, mutterfickers.


Power to the Soviets!

[SlowwHand]

Russia

[Lancer]

[Heraclitus]

Re: The Cold War is Back, can we Make Lemonade?

Originally posted by Lancer
...but of course there was always the French.

[Heraclitus]

Re: The Cold War is Back, can we Make Lemonade?

Originally posted by Lancer

...and THAT'S the silver lining. Nobody is thinking about Iraq anymore or picking on our Bush, who has the real Evil Empire back again. (The axis of evil never measured up)

The Soviet Union was not the evil empire and if it was so was the US.



Sure they where pretty bad guys in Eastern Europe, but sirs lets be honest, how is that different from how the US treats Latin America?

[BeBMan]

Re: The Cold War is Back, can we Make Lemonade?

Originally posted by Lancer
and a return to the stability of the cold war.

It's all different now, since both "blocks" can't control or at least influence the same big parts of the world as they did in ColdWar I. The times when (nearly) everything was divided in either pro east or pro west are over, today a ColdWar II would come on top of all other major problems that are already there, and not bring more stability, I'm afraid.

[Dinner]

Re: Re: The Cold War is Back, can we Make Lemonade?

Originally posted by Heraclitus

Sure they where pretty bad guys in Eastern Europe, but sirs lets be honest, how is that different from how the US treat Latin America?

Very sizablely actually. Sure, the US treated Latin America like little children and sometimes interfered in their affairs (in some periods even a lot) but there simply wasn't the total domination we saw in Eastern Europe.

[germanos]

Re: Re: The Cold War is Back, can we Make Lemonade?

Originally posted by Heraclitus


The Soviet Union was not the evil empire and if it was so was the US.

Funny coming from a guy with a Reagan avatar .

[Deity Dude]

I think we should make Freedomade

[Lancer]

The US certainly has made its share of mistakes but nothing compared to the europowers epic ****ups or the Russians never ending expansionist asperations.

At the end of WWII the US could have conquered the world through threat of nuclear annihilation. As the only nation with nukes we could have owned all. Our fleets were greater than the rest of the world combined, we were supreme.

What did we do? The US helped the world get back on its feet. Contrast that with the euro nations who any time they thought they had the slightest advantage attacked without mercy, and did so the world wide and by so doing planted the seeds of the problems with which the US wrestles today. Colonialism, horrible. Or the Russians, making puppets of half of europe, creating a wall of death for citizens seeking freedom, and now invading a democracy and stealing everything they can get their hands on while lieing on the way in and now lieing about leaving. Nice.

No, I think the US stacks up pretty well.

[Felch]

Re: Re: The Cold War is Back, can we Make Lemonade?

Originally posted by Heraclitus
Sure they where pretty bad guys in Eastern Europe, but sirs lets be honest, how is that different from how the US treats Latin America?

I don't think you understand the US's relationship with Latin America. We're dominant, and highly influential, but we tend to use overwhelming force sparingly. Look at how we've allowed Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia and Ecuador to be leftist without crushing them and overthrowing the regimes. No power on Earth would stop us from doing what we want in our own backyard, but we are restrained by our own sense of enlightened self-interest.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by MrFun
Was the distinction between fantasy and science fiction more clear-cut during the Cold War compared to today?

Fantasy was anything where the Russians win, and Science Fiction was where the Russians lost

[ramseya]

Democratic reforms in Czechoslovakia... The USSR sent 200K troops and 2000 tanks. (Nor was this an isolated incident as there was also the Hungarian Revolution of 1956)

Communist revolution in Cuba... USA sends two CIA agents and a thousand exiles.

yeah US is an evil empire