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It's rather obvious that the unnamed American in that story was McCain, Zkribbler and Oerdin. I read that version and never once thought that he was talking about someone other than himself.
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Why do you think he failed to mention this fact until just a couple of days ago? Was he being shy, modest, coy?
Why did he say one thing when he meant another? Is this part of the Double-Talk Express?
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It's all these cheating claims that make me believe McCain "won" the forum even though I didn't watch it.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Take off the Messiah colored glasses. When Obama's people are basically saying he didn't do that well; that says it all.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Rick Warren has said that Obama got 3 questions in advance and McCain only got 2 questions in advance. So, if anyone got an advantage by hearing questions in advance, it was Obama.Originally posted by Zkribbler
I remember the reverand asking McCain about the "Cone of Silence" when he first came on stage. McCain did NOT say, "Oops. I was late and was listing to this show on my car radio."
Cheater! Cheater! Cheater!
'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
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As was mentioned, McCain was in his car for the first 30 minutes of Obama's answers. We don't know whether or not he heard or read these questions in advance, but he certainly had ample opportunity to.
Warren said that he was sure that McCain didn't cheat because he was surrounded by Secret Service at the time. Which, of course, is ridiculous reasoning; there's absolutely no reason why the Secret Service would rat on McCain.
I don't particularly care one way or the other, so to me the most interesting aspect of this whole thing is the indignation of McCain camp's response. Rather than issuing a simple denial, his spokesman basically said, McCain's not a cheater, he's a POW! As if his military service should shield him from the most cursory kind of scrutiny on a totally unrelated matter..."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I think you and Rufus should be nominated as the official Voices of Reason for the OTF.Originally posted by Arrian
It's rather obvious that the unnamed American in that story was McCain, Zkribbler and Oerdin. I read that version and never once thought that he was talking about someone other than himself.
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I've voting for Rufus.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I think you and Rufus should be nominated as the official Voices of Reason for the OTF.
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Oh who ****ing cares if McCain cheated?
It's such a non-issue.
Wah wah wah, McCain is out of touch, wha wah wah, McCain cheated.
Oh for ****s sake, Obama is going to destroy McCain unless the Democrats are idiot . . . okay, so McCain has a strong chance, but still, quit *****ing about the small stuff and go after policy differences like . . . . like . . . hmmm, what do they disagree on?Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Though, I find it rather unlikely that a North Vietnamese guard was a Christian. Most Christian Vietnamese were in the South (running the government and oppressing the 95% of the South Vietnamese who were Buddhists).Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Does it really matter, aren't there a multitude of policy issues Obama could be hammering McCain on?"The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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No, not since Obamam's taken a cruise over to the right.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Originally posted by Zkribbler
At that time, the cross-in-the-dirt story was not about McCain but about another American serviceman.
Did you read the next line:
That is my faith
Quite obvious that he was referring to himself. Why would it be his faith that some other serviceman did something?Last edited by Imran Siddiqui; August 19, 2008, 19:40.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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I'd say that McCain's story is entirely made up. However, it's cute little story that will sway a certain type of person.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"Comment
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Actually, it appears that Solzhenitsyn is the one who made his story up.
But it turns out that this episode probably never happened to Solzhenitsyn at all, and according to a Solzhenitsyn biographer it appears nowhere in his published writing. Columbia University professor Michael Scammell, the author of Solzhenitsyn: A Biography, says the episode "never happened," and didn't appear in Solzhenitsyn's book, Gulag Archipelago, either.
McCain's story is supported by one of his fellow POWs.
"I recall John telling that story when we first got together in 1971, when were talking about every conceivable thing that had ever happened to us when we were in prison" Swindle told me a few minutes ago. "Most of us had been kept apart or in small groups. Then, in 1970, they moved us into the big cell. And when we all got to see each other and talk to each other directly, instead of tapping through walls, we had 24 hours a day, seven days a week to talk to each other, and we shared stories. I vaguely recall that story being told, among other stories."
"I remember it from prison," Swindle continued. "There were several stories similar to that in which guards — a very few, I might add — showed compassion to the prisoners. It was rare, and I never met one, but some of the guys did."
As for the people who are questioning McCain's account, Swindle said, "That's garbage. These people are desperate."Comment
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