It's war.

[Propaganda]

TBILISI (Reuters) - Russian jets bombed the Vaziani military airbase outside the Georgian capital Tbilisi on Friday, a senior Georgian security official told Reuters. "No one was wounded but some buildings have been destroyed," said Kakha Lamaia. The airbase is some 25 kilometers (15 miles) from Tbilisi. "They have declared war against us," said Lamaia. (Reporting by Matt Robinson, editing by Tim Pearce)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080808/...QY_mdAd51_5GIA

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Propaganda
AP: Georgia shoots down two Russian aircraft.


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I guess Russia shouldn't have been violating Georgian airspace, huh?

[Propaganda]

TBILISI, Georgia - Georgia's Interior Ministry spokesman says that Georgian forces have shot down two Russian combat planes. ADVERTISEMENT Shota Utiashvili says the planes were downed while they were raiding Georgian territory, but wouldn't give their type or any further details. Russia's Defense Ministry denied an earlier Georgian report about one Russian plane downed. It had no immediate comment on the latest claim. Georgia launched a massive attack Friday to regain control of South Ossetia, using heavy artillery, aircraft and armor. Russia's television reported that a convoy of Russian tanks rolled into South Ossetia. THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below. TSKHINVALI, Georgia (AP) — Georgian troops launched a major military offensive Friday to regain control over the breakaway province of South Ossetia and the president accused Russia, which has close ties to the separatists, of bombing Georgian territory. The fighting was the worst outbreak of hostilities since the province won de-facto independence in a war that ended in 1992 — raising fears that war could once again erupt and draw in Russia, which has peacekeepers in the region. A Russian official denied bombing Georgia, but Russian state television said Russian troops were moving into South Ossetia and showed a convoy of tanks that it said had already crossed the border. The convoy was expected to reach the provincial capital, Tskhinvali, by evening, Channel One television said. There was no immediate comment from Georgian officials. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has warned that the Georgian attack will draw retaliation and the Defense Ministry pledged to protect South Ossetians, most of whom have Russian citizenship. An Associated Press reporter saw tanks and other heavy weapons concentrating on the Russian side of the border with South Ossetia. Some villagers were fleeing into Russia. "I saw them (the Georgians) shelling my village," said Maria, who gave only her first name. She said she and other villagers spent the night in a field and then fled toward the Russian border as the fighting escalated. Separatist officials in South Ossetia said 15 civilians had been killed in fighting overnight. Georgian officials said seven civilians were wounded in bombing raids by Russia. Putin — in Beijing to attend the Olympic opening ceremony — said an unspecified number of the peacekeepers have been wounded. Georgia has declared a three-hour cease-fire to allow civilians to leave Tskhinvali. Georgian Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said troops were observing the cease-fire, which began at 3 p.m. local time (7 a.m. EDT). A spokesman for President Bush said Russia and Georgia should cease hostilities and hold talks to end the conflict. NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said he is seriously concerned about the fighting and that the alliance is closely following the situation. Georgia, which borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia, was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the breakup of the Soviet Union. The country has angered Russia by seeking NATO membership — a bid Moscow regards as part of a Western effort to weaken its influence in the region. Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili long has pledged to restore Tbilisi's rule over South Ossetia and another breakaway province, Abkhazia. Both regions have run their own affairs without international recognition since splitting from Georgia in the early 1990s and built up ties with Moscow.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080808/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia_21;_ylt=Ap5GiXDpkUrG8wJuV9bgbap_5GIA

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Oerdin


I guess Russia shouldn't have been violating Georgian airspace, huh?

I guess Georgia shouldn't have attacked South Ossetia, huh?

[Propaganda]

Saakashvili is live on CNN, the ****ing bastard. What the **** did he think was going to happen?

[Saras]

Originally posted by Propaganda


I guess Georgia shouldn't have attacked South Ossetia, huh?

Maybe it should have long time ago, huh?

[Propaganda]

Maybe it's not their place to assert force over an area that does not want to be administered by the Georgian regime?

Looks like the sword cuts both ways, huh?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Propaganda


I guess Georgia shouldn't have attacked South Ossetia, huh?

Of course they should exert control over their territory. Also it is a complete crock to claim the people of south Ossetia and Abkhazia want independence AFTER Russian backed thugs ethnically cleansed all the Georgians out of those lands. That Russia is still trying to justify ethnic cleansing to support their political goals shows a little has changed between the USSR and modern Russia.

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Of course they should exert control over their territory.

Maybe Russia should too? Remember the Helsinki Accords?
How about the meaning of words, "double standard"?

[Felch]

South Ossetia is Georgia. That's like saying the US attacked Idaho.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Propaganda


Maybe Russia should too? Remember the Helsinki Accords?
How about the meaning of words, "double standard"?

Huh? South Ossetia is not Russian territory.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Felch
That's like saying the US attacked Idaho.

Sounds like a plan. Replace Idaho with Texas.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I find it funny when Russians defend South Ossetia. You'd think they never heard of Chechnya.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I find it funny when Russians defend South Ossetia. You'd think they never heard of Chechnya.

Replace your location flag already!

[Dinner]

That's the double standard I'm talking about.

When Russia does it then it is good. When anyone else does it then it is bad.