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    It looks to me like the Iraq war is winding down. That's the word we are hearing in the press too. You still have spurts of extreme violence, but it appears like the Iraqi government has been able to exercise at least modest effectiveness lately. Al Qaeda in Iraq appears near defeat. And here's an article below stating that Sadr is disarming his militia.

    There are still big issues that have not yet had a final resolution, although it should be noted that stop-gap measures are serving well enough for now. The ethnic makeup of Kirkuk, oil revenue sharing, and Iraq's relationship with Iran are among the issues not yet resolved.

    Last month, 13 American soldiers died in country, including the finding of two bodies from some time ago. I have heard that only 4 of these deaths were battle-related, but can't quite see where the math adds up on that. In any event, and leaving aside the other caveats (profile of American troops in the battle, etc.), violence is at a post-invasion low.

    Mostly, I see this as a testament to the leadership abilities of Gen. Petraeus, who is now going on to command CentCom -- which includes both Iraq and Afghanistan. He's the first 5-star caliber soldier that this country has produced in a long, long time. It also is a testament to President Bush, who gave Petraeus what was needed to complete the task, in the face of harsh political pressure. It seems clear to me that Petraeus is Bush's U.S. Grant.

    The lede from the WSJ...



    PAGE ONE

    Radical Iraq Cleric in Retreat
    Sadr, Power Waning,
    Plans Moderate Course;
    Retaining Militia
    By GINA CHON
    August 5, 2008; Page A1

    BAGHDAD -- Anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr -- long a thorn in the side of the U.S. military and Iraqi government -- intends to disarm his once-dominant Mahdi Army militia and remake it as a social-services organization.

    The transformation would represent a significant turnabout for a group that, as recently as earlier this year, was seen as one of the most destabilizing anti-American forces in Iraq. For much of the past several years, the Mahdi Army, headed by Mr. Sadr, a Shiite cleric, controlled sizable chunks of Baghdad and other cities. Its brand of pro-Shiite activism had the side effect of pitting Iraqis against each other, helping to stir worries of civil war.
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    Associated Press
    Muqtada al-Sadr in 2006

    Recently, however, the group has been hit by a largely successful Iraqi military crackdown against militia members operating as criminal gangs. At the same time, Mr. Sadr's popular support is dwindling: Residents who once viewed the Mahdi Army as champions of the poor became alienated by what they saw as its thuggish behavior.

    A new brochure, obtained by The Wall Street Journal and confirmed by Mr. Sadr's chief spokesman, Sheik Salah al-Obeidi, states that the Mahdi Army will now be guided by Shiite spirituality instead of anti-American militancy. The group will focus on education, religion and social justice, according to the brochure, which is aimed at Mr. Sadr's followers. The brochure also states that it "is not allowed to use arms at all."
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    Remote tours of duty have been reduced back down to 12 months. That's a positive sign.
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    • #3
      I think it's a conspiracy to make Barrack HUSSEIN Obama's plan to bring troops home look like a good idea
      Blah

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      • #4
        Indeed, after nearly eight years of the repetitive "I blame Bush" meme, it's time for everyone to shift into "I credit Obama".

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        • #5
          Hopefully this trend continues.

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          • #6
            Indeed

            My brother served under Petraeus (way under, but he was on the press corps, so he saw him in action often during the beginning of the war), and had nothing but good things to say about him. He's very much in the camp of 'if he'd been in charge all along, we'd be done and out by now'... probably unrealistic but still, a solid vote for Petraeus.
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            • #7
              Mostly, I see this as a testament to the leadership abilities of Gen. Petraeus, who is now going on to command CentCom
              While Petraeus is obviously a very competant commander, lets not cannonize him. He took over after a lot of exhaustive fighting already took place, and if he had by chance been there earlier he would still have had to deal with the various mosque bombings and Shia/Sunni/Kurd internal political/power shufflings. That and there is no reason to believe he would have had the surge resources at his disposal earlier, it was the violence that led to the surge that motivated releasing those resources to the theater in the first place.

              Good news though

              Petraeus
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              • #8
                Petraeus

                Some credit is indeed due to Bush, for eventually putting Petraeus in charge. This, weighed against the towering mountain of discredit due Bush (for, among other things, launching this idiotic war in the first place), changes my opinion of the President not one little bit.

                As for Iraq in general, I'll quote the part of Dan's post that seems most important to me:

                There are still big issues that have not yet had a final resolution, although it should be noted that stop-gap measures are serving well enough for now. The ethnic makeup of Kirkuk, oil revenue sharing, and Iraq's relationship with Iran are among the issues not yet resolved
                and add in the Sunni/Shiite ethnic tension issue (which ties into oil sharing and Iran relations mentioned by Dan). That's pretty calm for now, in part due to the fact that the US government is paying a bunch of Sunni militiamen to not cause trouble. Some sort of political deal is still required for there to be long-term peace.

                I'm more optimistic that we can leave Iraq without a) a blood civil war; and/or b) a nasty dictatorship than I have been in a while... maybe ever? That doesn't change my overall take on the war, but it's nice.

                -Arrian
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                • #9
                  It's good news.

                  Now, if we can just get the three ethnic groups to enter into a unity government and decide how to divide up oil revenues.

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                  • #10
                    July casualties detailed (for Dan)...



                    31-Jul-2008 1 | US: 1 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
                    US Specialist Andre Darnell Mitchell Mosul - Ninawa Non-hostile - vehicle rollover

                    30-Jul-2008 1 | US: 1 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
                    US Sergeant James A. McHale National Naval Medical Center, Bethesda, - Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack

                    17-Jul-2008 1 | US: 1 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
                    US Technical Sergeant Jackie L. Larsen Balad (Balad Air Base) - Salah ad Din Non-hostile

                    15-Jul-2008 2 | US: 2 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
                    US Staff Sergeant David W. Textor Mosul - Ninawa Hostile - hostile fire
                    US Staff Sergeant Jeremy D. Vrooman Knan (died in Baghdad) - Diyala Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack

                    14-Jul-2008 2 | US: 2 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
                    US Aviation Boatswain Mate 3rd Class Daniel R. Verbeke Paoli, Pennsylvania - NA Non-hostile - accident (on flight deck)
                    US Staff Sergeant Danny Dupre Ramadi - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire

                    13-Jul-2008 1 | US: 1 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
                    US Lance Corporal Jeffery S. Stevenson Falluja - Anbar Non-hostile

                    09-Jul-2008 3 | US: 3 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
                    US Sergeant Alex R. Jimenez Jurf al-Sakhar - Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - body found
                    US Private Byron J. Fouty Jurf al-Sakhar - Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - body found
                    US Sergeant 1st Class Steven J. Chevalier Samarra (died in Balad) - Salah Ad Din Hostile - hostile fire - grenade

                    08-Jul-2008 1 | US: 1 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
                    US Specialist William L. McMillan III Baghdad (west of) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack

                    05-Jul-2008 1 | US: 1 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
                    US Sergeant 1st Class Anthony Lynn Woodham Tallil (Camp Adder) - Dhi Qar Non-hostile - electrocution

                    And two earlier casualties from a car accident and another non-hostile incident that died later died in August.

                    Hostile Fire = 8

                    From the information given it looks like two of those hostile fire fatalities didn't occur in July since the annotate "body found." They could have been killed earlier in the month though.

                    a nasty dictatorship than I have been in a while
                    I don't doubt that your iron fist will quell all Arrian
                    "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                    • #11
                      Wow, five years and a million dead and Iraq still isn't as well off as before the invasion.
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                      • #12
                        The two bodies found were killed many months ago, probably. IIRC, they were missing for a year or more.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #13
                          a million dead


                          The time for your gloating and retarded numbers exaggerations ended a year ago Che, your predictions of the apocolypse are now seen as what they were, on par with predictions of flowers and candy.

                          The two bodies found were killed many months ago, probably. IIRC, they were missing for a year or more.
                          I am glad the families will now have some closure.
                          "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                          • #14
                            and add in the Sunni/Shiite ethnic tension issue (which ties into oil sharing and Iran relations mentioned by Dan).
                            Also still no agreement about provincial elections. They're not going to happen this year.

                            From the article:
                            The Mahdi Army has long stated that its principal goal is withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. Since talks of setting a goal for a timetable for withdrawal have emerged -- as part of the long-term security deal between the U.S. and Iraq currently nearing completion -- the movement now intends to try to help Iraqi society via peaceful means, according to Mr. Obeidi.
                            Wow, a timetable to withdraw has a good chance of calming everyone the **** down? Who'd have thought (besides everyone not in the WH)?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                              Wow, five years and a million dead and Iraq still isn't as well off as before the invasion.
                              Horse****.
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