San Francisco's policy of sanctuary leads to murder

[Elok]

I wonder if he committed the murders because he was enraged by what he heard on right-wing talk radio? It's a reasonable thing to assume, isn't it?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Read posts #6 and # 8.

If you don't like the policy why don't just make a thread opposing it? Why have you brought up the fact that an illegal immigrant commited murder?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Elok
I wonder if he committed the murders because he was enraged by what he heard on right-wing talk radio? It's a reasonable thing to assume, isn't it?

There's a logical connection, yes.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The question for me is whether any other youth would have been subject to the same penalties pre murder that Ramos had. I think they would have been. IMO, one individual who commits murder after serving time after a felony doesn't invalidate the entire sanctuary program. It seems SF is treating these illegals like legals (ie, no special treatment in criminal matters).

[DinoDoc]

No special treatment would involve deporting the SoB, would it not?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Not if they were treating him like a legal.

"special treatment" simply meaning different treatment, not better treatment.

[DinoDoc]

He was recieving special treatment (different treatment than he would have recieved in most other part of the country) and protection from the City. He along with other criminals who also happen to be illegal aliens who choose to reside in SF. It's this practice that have caused the federal government to launch a criminal probe of the City.

[Imran Siddiqui]

As I thought was clear, special treatment compared to other legals.

Either way, I have no problems with what SF did here. No policy is perfect and as some legals will reoffend so will some illegals if they are treated as legals.

[DinoDoc]

Weren't you arguing in the Texas vs World Court thread that a State can not violate Federal law?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Legally they can't. But the law doesn't exactly conform to an individual's sense of morality (which is why Sloww can think the law sucks and Texas shouldn't have to follow it - but its a bit more difficult for him to argue states' rights provides the legal justification).

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Elok
I wonder if he committed the murders because he was enraged by what he heard on right-wing talk radio? It's a reasonable thing to assume, isn't it?

You're simply lying about what was said now. It is extremely reasonable to wonder if racial hate speech motivates racial hate crimes.

[David Floyd]

The obvious problem with "Sanctuary Cities" is that they make US law seem irrelevant. After all, if it's OK to violate immigration law, why isn't it OK to violate other laws, too? It's utterly inconsistent. I'm all for changing US law to allow for unfettered immigration - provided they speak ****ing English, of course - but until that's the case, the INS should be aggressive in going after violations of immigration law, and they should disproportionately target cities that declare themselves to be "sanctuaries". Funny how many of those sanctuary cities have Latino mayors, and majority Latino City Councils, isn't it? Or, in San Francisco's case, the city happens to be one of the most psycho-left wing cities in the country (not to mention a very international city). Let's be honest - "sanctuary cities" are simply pandering for Hispanic votes. Simple as that. And it works, because the federal government is too *****-ass to enforce the law.

[Elok]

Originally posted by David Floyd
And it works, because the federal government is too *****-ass to enforce the law.

Possibly because in most cases it's not cost-effective to enforce it. You still have that iPod, don't you?

[Imran Siddiqui]

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Elok
Possibly because in most cases it's not cost-effective to enforce it. You still have that iPod, don't you?

Well how hard would it be to withhold Federal monies from sanctuary cities until they change policy wrt thier protection of criminal aliens such as the one in the OP? Or would that not be cost effective as well?