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Originally posted by BlackCat
Well, my point is that there are a lot that doesn't vote though still complain
Well, my point is that there are a lot that doesn't vote though still complain
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It doesn't matter if you vote or not. The economy sucks either way.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Doesn't matter if the economy sucks or not - if you vote, then you can complain, if not, please shut up.Originally posted by Kidicious
It doesn't matter if you vote or not. The economy sucks either way.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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"The economy sucks!"Originally posted by BlackCat
Doesn't matter if the economy sucks or not - if you vote, then you can complain, if not, please shut up.
THAT JUST HAPPENED!
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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For some reason Bush reminds me more of Nixon than ReaganOriginally posted by Hercules
A lot of the problem also stemmed from Reagan Economics over the 8 years, he was there, I understand."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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Maybe because, while Reagan was a visionary (altho I disagree with his vision), Nixon was a Machiavellian power-hungry a-hole.Comment
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But Nixon actually a lot of good in his time in office... unlike W. Bush.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Really ?Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
But Nixon actually a lot of good in his time in office... unlike W. Bush.On the ISDG 2012 team at the heart of CiviLIZationComment
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Umm, I don't mean to be a dick here, but some of that is just completely and obviously false.Originally posted by Zkribbler
During the past 35 years, the net worth of America has doubled while the net worth of the middle class has steadily declined and the net worth off the poor has crumbled.
The top 1% has, in contrast, done very well. 
"You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran
Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005Comment
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Nixon
Also JIAR.Comment
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"I may be missing your point, but no one is saying 85% of people voted for a bad economy."
Didn't Bush get elected twice( = large numbers of Americans going to the polls and saying 'please, please kick me in the nuts...and then do it again')?
Despite the fact that I personally offered clear warnings of how bad he was?
Maybe I'm just not getting enough press."Wait a minute..this isn''t FAUX dive, it's just a DIVE!"
"...Mangy dog staggering about, looking vainly for a place to die."
"sauna stories? There are no 'sauna stories'.. I mean.. sauna is sauna. You do by the laws of sauna." -P.Comment
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Uh... yeah, really. There is, you know, that one big, huge, and obvious foreign policy success.Originally posted by Hercules
Really ?“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Must explain why he won in a landslide in '84 and why he's one of America's most popular former leaders.Originally posted by Hercules
A lot of the problem also stemmed from Reagan Economics over the 8 years, he was there, I understand.
He may have brought Gorbachov in from the cold, but his approach and behaviour to economic issues was disastrous.-rmsharpeComment
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Not only is your argument fallacious, but ignoring the sarcasm it could be completely true.Comment
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Popular among the right, you mean. Not all of us had the wool pulled over our eyes.Originally posted by rmsharpe
Must explain why he won in a landslide in '84 and why he's one of America's most popular former leaders.
He gets credit for an era that was much better than the previous decade and passed the buck onto future generations. Well the future is now.
He gets credit for lowering taxes when in reality the '86 tax bill raised taxes for 90% of Americans. The righties claim that it is b/c of the Dem Congress tacking on payroll taxes, which may or may not have some merit (I haven't researched it), but Reagan still signed it into law.
He got credit for releasing the hostages, but we found out later that it was a backroom deal for arms shipments that got it done, and led to tons of indictments in his administration and one of the most corrupt govts ever. Iran-contra.
He got credit for single-handedly bringing down the Soviet Union by outspending them militarily, when most historians agree that he had little impact on it's fate.
He was instrumental in allowing the kind of behavior in politics that allowed the neocons and Xian right to hold such power in the GOP and over our federal institutions.
But after 8 years we got to 'feel better'. I guess I can admit to that much, although personally I didn't.I'm consitently stupid- Japher
I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- NedComment
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A Gallup poll taken last year puts Reagan just behind Lincoln. Of course, you're probably one of those people that thinks America is right-wing anyway...Originally posted by Theben
Popular among the right, you mean. Not all of us had the wool pulled over our eyes.
Are we still talking about Reagan or are we talking about Franklin Roosevelt?He gets credit for an era that was much better than the previous decade and passed the buck onto future generations. Well the future is now.
It didn't raise taxes, it reduced deductions. It had an effective impact of raising payment rates for many Americans, but it wasn't an increase. The Tax Reform Act lowered taxes again and simplified the bracket structure.He gets credit for lowering taxes when in reality the '86 tax bill raised taxes for 90% of Americans.
Well, Dick Gephardt was the sponsor of said bill...The righties claim that it is b/c of the Dem Congress tacking on payroll taxes, which may or may not have some merit (I haven't researched it), but Reagan still signed it into law.
Investigated and proven entirely false.He got credit for releasing the hostages, but we found out later that it was a backroom deal for arms shipments that got it done,
I agree. Historians and Americans should know that the communist system was a fundamentally uneconomic idea and would eventually collapse.He got credit for single-handedly bringing down the Soviet Union by outspending them militarily, when most historians agree that he had little impact on it's fate.-rmsharpeComment
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