The Official God FAQ

[MJW]

Only Perfection is only one who really attacks Elok. The rest don't try or refuse to accept things the way they are.

[Elok]

Originally posted by Zanarkand
Oh, I just thought it was a great game. Sadly, I never got to finish it.

Well, it seems funny since

Spoiler:

The final boss is Yevon, the game's equivalent of ol' YHWH only he takes the form of a Metroid for some reason, and the whole point of the game is that atonement for past sins is a crock and a sham, and they're all fighting to bring down the church.

Odd how FFX and Final Fantasy Tactics (final boss: second coming of Christ) slid right under the radar while people freaked out over GTA.

[Zanarkand]

Just out of curiosity - what about all the other scripts that also was written by guidance by god ? I mean that through human existence god has dictated lots of holy books with very different concepts and all of them inspired/directed by an unfallible god. Why don't you think that one of these scriptures are the real truth ?

Are you referring to books like the Torah?

[Elok]

Originally posted by MJW


Only Perfection is only one who really attacks Elok. The rest don't try or refuse to accept things the way they are.

You're something of a puzzle to me. Last time you talked about this old riddle of mine, you made it sound like I was seriously advocating egotism and sounding like a jerk (i.e., like you missed my point entirely). Just where do you stand on this, if anywhere?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Zanarkand


Are you referring to books like the Torah?

Not specially - any kind of scripture inspired by god suffices.

[Zanarkand]

The final boss is Yevon, the game's equivalent of ol' YHWH only he takes the form of a Metroid for some reason, and the whole point of the game is that atonement for past sins is a crock and a sham, and they're all fighting to bring down the church.

That would have been cute, but I already know how the game ends and it was a bit disappointing.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Zanarkand
No, I don't consider the Bible as fallible, because even though the Bible was written by man (which I am sure would be your next argument), I believe that the writers were guided by something we christians call the Holy Spirit, which I'm sure you've heard of. What it basically means, is that God made sure that nothing that was incorrect was written down.

So no contradictions, mistakes, or falsehoods then. Are you quite sure about that?

Why does God need a Holy Spirit to perform what should for him be a fairly simple task? I though he was omnipotent.

Then to the second question: No, I can't. And I'm not planning on it. Maybe they exist, who knows..it would have been great fun.

OK, How about pink unicorns, giant flying spaghetti-monsters, and mutant star-goats? Might they exist too?

I prefer to spend my energy on what I believe in, and not the things I don't believe in. That would be a waste of time..

What if I believe in the giant flying spaghetti-monster, and I assure you, if you don't worship his noodly appendages, you will burn in hell for all eternity. Is that worth discussing? Meanwhile, I propose a government based on this belief, and compulsory lessons in schools declaring the righteousness of these beliefs. Also, I have several million believers prepared to vote for candidates who intend to form this government. Would expending energy on this subject be a waste of time?

[Elok]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Not specially - any kind of scripture inspired by god suffices.

"I can feel it coming in the thread tonight...the same damned zealot-and-skeptic-zealot fight we've had a billion times before...oh Lawd..."

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Elok


"I can feel it coming in the thread tonight...the same damned zealot-and-skeptic-zealot fight we've had a billion times before...oh Lawd..."

Yeah, but Nicolai has brought us a n0000b. We can start all over again. :cloud9:

[Nikolai]

I can only speak for myself and not Z, but in my book only the Bible is written/inspired by God. Any other is a false revelation, inspired by Satan. In any case, it's not inspired by God. Not a very PC thing to say, I know.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Elok


"I can feel it coming in the thread tonight...the same damned zealot-and-skeptic-zealot fight we've had a billion times before...oh Lawd..."

I'm on the right side of a bottle of red wine

[Zanarkand]

Not specially - any kind of scripture inspired by god suffices.

Well, I believe there are countless scriptures where the writers have been inspired by God..but that doesn't mean the writers were directly guided by God. A man can write a scripture inspired by God, but the scripture itself may end up as a pretty unbiblical piece of document.

[Elok]

Originally posted by Zanarkand
That would have been cute, but I already know how the game ends and it was a bit disappointing.

What do you mean, would have been cute? I know that's how the game actually ends, my next-dorm neighbor freshman year wouldn't stop playing the game. Wiki or pretty much anyone who's played it through can back me up on this. You fight the crazy prophet-lady who tells you the Sin thing's a farce, then you talk to the zombie-bishop who tells you God's inside Sin, then you whack Sin by first destroying his flying sperm-whale shell and then killing your dad, who's Sin's true form and looks like a homeless biker, and finally it's Metroid-God. They hit you over the head with the "church is evil" bit the whole time. The whole game is like Pullman's Dark Materials only with more sympathetic characters and a less ludicrous premise.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Zanarkand


Well, I believe there are countless scriptures where the writers have been inspired by God..but that doesn't mean the writers were directly guided by God. A man can write a scripture inspired by God, but the scripture itself may end up as a pretty unbiblical piece of document.

Well, how do you then decide wich one is written purely trough gods interference and wich is a mere elaboration of gods words ?

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


So no contradictions, mistakes, or falsehoods then. Are you quite sure about that?

There are no contradictions in the Bible. Granted, there are people who have made lists of seemingly contradictions, but so far all of them have been shown to be false by closer look.

Why does God need a Holy Spirit to perform what should for him be a fairly simple task? I though he was omnipotent.

He is omnipotent. And The Holy Spirit is God.

OK, How about pink unicorns, giant flying spaghetti-monsters, and mutant star-goats? Might they exist too?



What if I believe in the giant flying spaghetti-monster, and I assure you, if you don't worship his noodly appendages, you will burn in hell for all eternity. Is that worth discussing? Meanwhile, I propose a government based on this belief, and compulsory lessons in schools declaring the righteousness of these beliefs. Also, I have several million believers prepared to vote for candidates who intend to form this government. Would expending energy on this subject be a waste of time?

You are free to believe in them if you want. I don't. You can preach it if you believe in it, of course. And if you got a following large enough to govern a country with it, noone would stop you. And I could state my disagreement.