Muslin kills 2 daughter in Houston

[Winston]

Why do you feel the need to point to those in a thread about Muslim "honour killings"? Conversely, would you point to Muslim killings in a thread about the ones you mention?

More to the point, are you saying that "honour killings" aren't that much of a problem in the great scheme of things - and we should skip focusing on them?

[Zkribbler]

Because "honor killings" stretch across religious lines. Christians who do it may not refer to "honor" but the basis is the same -- they do it to protect what they believe to be a central tenant of their religion.

Murdering for God is bad God is quite capable of killing anyone whom He feels deserves death.

[Winston]

So you choose to ignore the issue of scale. It's fair to say that it's a widespread phenomenon in Muslim culture, while I've yet to hear anyone claim that it's even a part of Christian culture anywhere.

And again, why do you feel the need to apply the usual knee-jerk Liberal cultural relativism here. You can't bear that serious faults in other cultures are debated, can you?

Can we ever hope to alleviate this serious and growing problem without at least addressing it? I think not.

[Zkribbler]

Because Muslims are our major ally in the war against al Qaeda, and because I don't like to see our allies singled out for hatred.

Why no mention of the Hindu widows that are thrown onto the husband's furneral pyres?

Why no mention of Christians who kill their family members?

I remember years ago when I worked for a Japanese-American woman her telling me how her father tied her to a chair to keep her from meeting with her white boyfriend.

This sick phenomenon is not found in only the Muslim culture.

[Winston]

No hatred, other than on the part of the killers and wife-beaters.

Facing reality. Muslim women are being killed, abused or deported as an integral part of that religion's cultural pattern. Increasingly, as murder cases are being investigated and stiff sentences are being meted out, unruly daughters and wives who cast "shame" on their families are being sent to their country of origin and never heard from again.

Of course, it's not the rule. Those are still rare cases, but they're there and compared to the general population (where such killings are virtually non-existant) the frequency is very high among Muslims.

And it's commonly accepted behaviour, even encouraged and aided by the Muslim community in many cases. Women who leave their husbands and file for divorce have to take shelter under an assumed name and cannot ride in Copenhagen cabs because the moment they do, odds are that the driver will alert their families as to their whereabouts.

Police investigation is extremely difficult compared to "regular" murder cases, as penetration into the Muslim culture and getting people to talk is almost always beyond.. challenging.

Zkribbler, how do you suggest we deal with this problem. We've tried ignoring it. Doesn't work. We've tried talking about Hindus and Japanese, of which we have very few indeed. Not too good either.

Education. Education. Oh wait, then we'll have to confront people with the faults of their culture. So education is out too. Right?

[Zkribbler]

...integral part of that religion's cultural...

This is where we differ. Within a few fringe elements of the religion, this vile practice is found. But there are millions of Muslims in the U.S., and how many cases like this have we had? It is NOT a mainstream practice.

The Queen of Jordan doesn't wear a headscarf. In Turkey, women are allowed to wear headscarves. What kind of danger are they in.

Don't attribute the wackoness of the extremists to the vast majority of Muslims.

[Julian Delphiki]

Lot's of these habits come from old tribal ways, and they happen to Muslims. IDK of they would be better of with any religion, given otherwise same circumstances.

[Joseph]

The report was on a Fox News cast. So far, the other media will not run the story because it about a Muslim.

[Imran Siddiqui]

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
In Turkey, women are allowed to wear headscarves. What kind of danger are they in.

Turkey is a secular state.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Is Pakistan?

Because in Pakistan, women don't have to go around wearing a headscarf either.

[DinoDoc]

Did he say Pakistan?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I was hoping that you'd realize the point he was trying to make.

[DinoDoc]

I already knew the point he was trying to make. I was trying to get him to not be so lazy with his facts.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Then again, was he really that lazy? Just because Turkey is a secular state doesn't mean that the vast majority of people there aren't Muslims. Winston was, after all, complaining of Muslims in Denmark, which is obviously a secular state. When someone refers to a "religion's cultural pattern" does it matter what the state believes?