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    Two Germans share the longest proven family tree in the world.

    The men, Manfred Huchthausen, a 58-year-old teacher, and Uwe Lange, a 48-year-old surveyor, had known each other from living in the same village, about half a mile apart from each other.

    But they never knew they were related through a 3,000-year-old shared ancestor.

    They only recently found out they are both true descendants of Bronze Age cave-dwellers who lived in the area three millenniums ago.

    Thanks to a DNA test on well-preserved Bronze Age bones found in the Lichtenstein cave in the foothills of the Harz Mountains in Germany's Lower Saxony, the men can now claim to have the longest family tree in the world.

    Before the discovery, I could trace my family back by name to 1550," Lange said. "Now, I can go back 120 generations."

    Lange comes from the small village of Nienstedt, which is near the excavation site.
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    "We used to play there as kids," he told ABC News. "If I'd known that there were 3,000-year-old relatives buried there, I would not have set a foot in that cave."

    A local team of archaeologists discovered the L. cave, which had been hidden from view, in 1980. But it wasn't until 1993 that they found the Bronze Age remains.

    The cave was used between 1,000 and 700 B.C., according to archaeological investigations conducted by scientists at the nearby University of Goettingen. One of them, anthropologist Susanne Hummel, confirmed that Huchthausen and Lange share the longest proven family tree.

    They found the bones of 23 people -- nine females and 14 males -- along with what appeared to be cult objects, prompting speculation among scientists that the cave was a living area and a sacrificial burial place.

    Scientists found that the bones had been protected from the elements by calcium deposits that formed a protective skin around the skeletons.

    The remains turned out to be from the same family group that had a distinctive and rare DNA pattern.

    When 300 locals were tested with saliva swabs as part of the archaeological research, two local residents turned out to have the exact same genetic characteristics: Manfred Huchthausen and Uwe Lange.

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    I thought this was pretty cool story.

  • #2
    Not cool. Their don't know all their ancestors from them to that Bronze Age guy, so it doesn't count.
    Graffiti in a public toilet
    Do not require skill or wit
    Among the **** we all are poets
    Among the poets we are ****.

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    • #3
      that's nothing. when they'll find Alexander's tomb, you'll see!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by onodera
        Not cool. Their don't know all their ancestors from them to that Bronze Age guy, so it doesn't count.
        Thank you. Clan Rose, for instance, traces back to 1390 with unbroken records (a fire destroyed records dating back further to the early 1200's when the clan was established) for those in our clan that have remained closest to the main branch. One of my branches record-keepers died some years ago, so unfortunately it would be harder for me to establish myself with up-to-date records, but I do know from a previous school project eons ago on family trees that I'm a descendant of the main lineage, rather than just married into it. 700-800 years worth of records is hard to match in this world. Just ask the Muslims...
        The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

        The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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        • #5
          I'd be awfully depressed if I found out that my family hadn't gone anywhere in 3000 years.
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          • #6
            Now you know how people living in the Deep South of the US ought to feel about centuries of history living in the armpit of the States.
            The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

            The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MarkG
              that's nothing. when they'll find Alexander's tomb, you'll see!
              They'll find that he lived less than 3000 years ago? I think they know that already.
              I'm consitently stupid- Japher
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              • #8
                "We used to play there as kids," he told ABC News. "If I'd known that there were 3,000-year-old relatives buried there, I would not have set a foot in that cave."
                Heh? So it's fine if you walk all over other peoples ancestors graves? WTF?
                Monkey!!!

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                • #9
                  Germans having the longest
                  Blah

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Lorizael
                    I'd be awfully depressed if I found out that my family hadn't gone anywhere in 3000 years.
                    All the cool Germans have moved to Los Angeles.

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                    • #11
                      My father's side of the family tree has records (of males only) back 35 generations, or (we guess) to roundabout 1200 AD.

                      The names of the males born to the next 21 generations are already predetermined too.
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                      • #12
                        George Foreman?
                        Monkey!!!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Theben
                          They'll find that he lived less than 3000 years ago? I think they know that already.
                          Me-Alexander link >> some random german-some random caveman
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia The names of the males born to the next 21 generations are already predetermined too.
                            Why?
                            Graffiti in a public toilet
                            Do not require skill or wit
                            Among the **** we all are poets
                            Among the poets we are ****.

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                            • #15
                              Well, in most Chinese families there is a poem written centuries ago, and every character in the poem becomes the "generational character" for a given generation. So, if you say that the first four words of the poem are "Heaven arches, protects earth", then the first generation of males will have "heaven" as their middle character, the second will have "arches" as their middle character, and so on.

                              The family poem for my dad's family is 56 characters long, and we're up to character 35 for my little brother. (Women don't usually have any name listed in the poem, although many families tend to pick a single character and then consistently apply that to all girls born to that generation. My middle character is "pei" 佩 and the female cousins on my dad's side all have the same middle character.)

                              Because there are 21 more characters in the poem, the middle character of all males born for the next 21 generations are predetermined. Sometimes a generation will choose not to use them. (This was the case in my dad's generation - for reasons nobody's entirely sure about. My father suspects it was because the family records went missing in the revolution and they didn't want to guess and get it wrong.) But when they resume the listing, they do not "go back" to cover the missed characters. My brother, whose middle character is "qi" 奇 (aptly enough, meaning "wondrous" or more simply, just "odd" ) did not take the character that my father missed.

                              We're fairly sure the poem did not repeat, although there are Chinese families where the poems are both a) longer than ours, and b) have repeated. Confucius' family tree currently is in its 80th (or thereabouts) generation from the Sage himself, and it's entirely possible he is not the first recorded generation within it.

                              I also remember hearing about 5 years ago that one of the men who traced his ancestry to Confucius had failed the Taipei University entrance exam in Taiwan. Although given the 1.5 million descendants around the world, this is actually a fairly likely occurrence, it still made me smile.
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