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  • Discriminating against Roma isn't racist - because they're all thieves

    Reads like the mf'ing Onion.

    Brilliant, Brilliant logic.




    Italy: Court inflames Roma discrimination row

    * John Hooper in Rome
    * The Guardian,
    * Tuesday July 1, 2008
    * Article history

    Italy's highest appeal court has ruled that it is acceptable to discriminate against Roma on the grounds that they are thieves.

    The judgment, made public yesterday, comes amid a nationwide clampdown on the Roma community by Silvio Berlusconi's government. Last week his interior minister, Roberto Maroni, announced plans to fingerprint all of Italy's Roma, including children.

    The ruling by the court of cassation, which appears to provide judicial backing for the government's policies, was handed down in March, but reported only yesterday. The judges overthrew the conviction of six defendants who signed a leaflet demanding the expulsion of Verona's Gypsies in 2001.

    Among those convicted of racially discriminatory propaganda was Flavio Tosi, an official of the anti-immigrant Northern League, who has since become Verona's mayor. He was quoted by a witness at his trial as having said afterwards: "The Gypsies must be ordered out because, wherever they arrive, there are robberies."

    The court of cassation decided this did not show Tosi was a racist, but that he had "a deep aversion [to Roma] that was not determined by the Gypsy nature of the people discriminated against, but by the fact that all the Gypsies were thieves". His dislike of them was "not therefore based on a notion of superiority or racial hatred, but on racial prejudice". The judges scrapped the two-month jail sentences and ordered that the case be reheard.

    Their ruling was published hours before police in Verona arrested eight Roma of Croatian origin accused of having induced minors to carry out burglaries in northern Italy. The arrests were co-ordinated by the prosecutor who charged Tosi and the others seven years ago.

    Franco Frattini, the foreign minister, who until earlier this year was the European commissioner for justice and human rights, applauded the fingerprinting initiative, saying: "These things are done in many other European countries." He and other government supporters said the main beneficiaries would be Roma children at risk of being forced to break the law.

    But an opposition MP, Gian Claudio Bressa, said the government was enacting measures "that increasingly resemble those of an authoritarian regime". On Sunday Maroni's top aide was reported to have imposed a vow of silence on three special commissioners appointed to deal with what the Italian media calls "the Roma emergency".

    urgh.NSFW

  • #2
    THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
    AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
    AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
    DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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    • #3
      Wow. That's a pretty awesome thing for a government to do.
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      • #4
        this is bad, but truth is Roma people should do something about their fellow men. It's not like things like this happen with no reason.
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        • #5
          Excellent

          This finally gives the rest of the EU/world to discrimanate against the corrupt Italians
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          • #6
            1) It is still a stereotype even if the belief has proven true for the person holding that belief. Stereotypes applied to a race of people is racism. If applied by the state, then it is institutional racism.

            2) Expressing racism should not be subject to the law. Enforcing racism should not be the law.

            So, the sentence given for calling Roma thieves was stupid. Likewise, a law calling for the fingerprinting of all the people of only one minority group is both discriminatory and stupid. I find the court's statement to be proof of incompetence. But then "all Italian government officials are incompetent." This statement will raise the court's hackles, although many people have the personal experience to prove it.
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            • #7
              My point stays. While not all Roma are thieves, it is a fact that conning people or stealing is a source of income for a unparalelled percent of them. If they don't want to be treated like thieves, they should try to do something about this problem in their community.
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              I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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              • #8
                Why do the victims have to prove racism is wrong? Why can't we demand that the discriminators prove that these fingerprints will do anything positive. I say fingerprint all children -- some will grow up to be bad, we might as well start their record as early as possible.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Blaupanzer
                  Why do the victims have to prove racism is wrong? Why can't we demand that the discriminators prove that these fingerprints will do anything positive. I say fingerprint all children -- some will grow up to be bad, we might as well start their record as early as possible.
                  Have you filed your prints yet?
                  Why restrict yourself to fingerprints? Give a DNA sample as well, along with unrestricted access to all your bank-accounts.


                  Personally I think the government should stay out of my life. The less they know about me, the better.
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                  • #10
                    The European Libertarian Party. membership - 1
                    urgh.NSFW

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                    • #11
                      Well believe it or not most Europeans do not like the state snooping in their personal lives but do like the welfare infrastructure that is provided. Personally I am sick of my government becoming more and more restrictive and security-driven but I think that our welfare state is, on the whole, a good thing.
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                      • #12
                        Man, Roma in here are a true pest. Take it anyway you want to take it, look at the stats or go experience it yourself. I'll make a new competition, come here and find the first Roma working honestly, tax evasion is allowed and other "bending the rules" as well. As long as I'm a whitie, then, you're a pikie, not all of you, just you. Unfortunately, 99 Roma give a bad reputation for that one good.

                        Ooooooooops! Not very PC! *ding dong ding dong*... I don't care. When you win the competition, you can complain about the not being very PC thing. Until then? I won't even say "my bad". Then again, my experience is basically just bad ones, and there's just lots of them. The only time I thought I'd get stabbed, in the ass no less, was when drunk Roma came "hugging" me after I didn't give him 50 euros he so badly needed, and then refused to buy shirts he obviously was retailing, and drunk as he was, he just wanted to give me a hug, after resisting, and then cornering me regardless, he started reaching for his pocket and I just pushed him away and walked. Turns out, he did stab a man in that petrol station, in the ass. I bet that's exactly how it happened too.

                        Not only that, but just tons more. Only. Bad. Experiences. When you see one in a store, you know they're about to get arrested for shoplifting. And as the prophet you are, it happens, that under that huge skirt, there's useful stuff like motor oil and candy, tons of it. It's a cultural thing. You don't see a kid in school after first grades, because they're learning a lesson, stealing. And of course infighting with other families. The truth is, they mostly just cause ruckus to each other, vendetta you see. Them rules are so ****ed up, that it'll be just a natural Darwinian thing at the end of the day anyway.
                        Last edited by Pekka; July 17, 2008, 19:39.
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                        • #13
                          But I must emphasise that the Roma from Romania are giving bad reputation for the Roma in general. I believe the ones that live in Poland for a long time are much more adapted to society. Bah, Edyta Gorniak, well-known polish singer (2nd place in Eurovision) is Roma.
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                          • #14
                            Yeah, how dare they call Romans a bunch of thieves. Everybody knows that's the Kosovans
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                            • #15
                              Well, you know if they weren't actually all thieves this might be a terrible travesty of justice, but since they are... carry on then. Perhaps a final solution to the Roma problem in Europe might be found soon.
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