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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Having a prayer, and one fellow not wanting to do it and being told to sit elsewhere?
Having a prayer, and one fellow not wanting to do it and being told to sit elsewhere?
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Or, like, on a bus, having a person with a different skin colour and being told to sit elsewhere? You're right, that's not discrimination
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Hardly. You assume that it was some sort of official prayer (which would be highly unlikely) instead of just the people at that table. There is nothing wrong with a group of people in the mess hall praying, nor is there anything wrong with people not wanting to sit with someone in the mess hall. Hell, for all we know he made a smart ass comment about it and them was told to leave.The first example is discrimination - like a textbook example of it.
In the end in this instance we have this guys word, and nothing else. Sure it could of happened, but I see no reason to give this kid the benefit of the doubt at the moment."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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I think a distinction needs to be made there between 'told' and 'told by somebody outranking him'."In the beginning was the Word. Then came the ******* word processor." -Dan Simmons, HyperionComment
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People always assume things about the assumptions I make. I don't know why that is.Originally posted by Patroklos
Hardly. You assume that it was some sort of official prayer (which would be highly unlikely) instead of just the people at that table.
DiscriminationThere is nothing wrong with a group of people in the mess hall praying, nor is there anything wrong with people not wanting to sit with someone in the mess hall. Hell, for all we know he made a smart ass comment about it and them was told to leave.
Specifically, number 2. What was described is discrimination, pure and simple.
Certainly, but we have nothing to discuss if we discount what he said.In the end in this instance we have this guys word, and nothing else. Sure it could of happened, but I see no reason to give this kid the benefit of the doubt at the moment.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La RochefoucauldComment
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The article doesn't specify whether the other peopleat the table people knew he was an Atheist before he refused to pray. If they already knew he was an Atheist, then it is not discrimination, since they were fine with him sitting there while knowing he was Atheist. If they didn't know know he was an Atheist before, then it is discrimination.Last edited by Will9; July 9, 2008, 18:35.USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
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"I was told because I can't put my personal beliefs aside and pray with troops I wouldn't make a good leader," Hall said.
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At 1st I thought this was a joke aimed at BK.
I'm consitently stupid- Japher
I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- NedComment
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It will be interesting as to what the military's response will be since they (the military) have a deadline to respond to the allegations by midnight tonight...
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Well, clearly Atheists make worse crusaders than religious zealots."The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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Good point Victor!
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"One day if I do go to heaven, I'm going to do what every San Franciscan does who goes to heaven - I'll look around and say, 'It ain't bad, but it ain't San Francisco.'" - Herb Caen, 1996
"If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu
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I knew a guy on the Anzio who felt that anyone who wasn't the Chaplain's particular brand of evangelical Christianity got harrassed(by the Chaplain). In one memorable event the Chaplain informed the parents of a sailor who had just died that their kid was in Hell, but there was still a chance to save their souls.Originally posted by Patroklos
No. Nor have I ever seen any discrimination against athiests in the military. Nor have I seen discrimination against any other religions by the evil evangalist military wide conspiracy (being a practicing Catholic, I am sure I would have seen it by now).
In anything, being to religious is what gets you ostrasized socially (but not officially). Same goes for being overly athiest, as in always questioning the beliefs of others. I guess you could say that about anyone being "to" anything.
Later on he got kicked out of the navy for protesting(in uniform) that he was being "oppressed" by getting reprimands for his behavior.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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Yeah, because there is never any crazy stuff like a prayer every damn night on the 1MC.Originally posted by Patroklos
Hardly. You assume that it was some sort of official prayer (which would be highly unlikely) instead of just the people at that table.
Yessir, an official prayer in the military is the INCREDIBLY unlikely!
(Actually, the first Chaplain I had on the ship was pretty good at evening prayers. Like; "Oh God, I am so tired of nothing but Mountain Dew in the soda machines...can we have somethign else? Like Snapple?" He was a popular guy)Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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Originally posted by Lonestar
I knew a guy on the Anzio who felt that anyone who wasn't the Chaplain's particular brand of evangelical Christianity got harrassed(by the Chaplain). In one memorable event the Chaplain informed the parents of a sailor who had just died that their kid was in Hell, but there was still a chance to save their souls.
"I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George CarlinComment
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And the chaplain's name was Fred Phelps?
But one cannot draw conclusions of an entire army based on few fundies.I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"Comment
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