Bush Lied...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
How? Read some history if nothing else.
He killed Kurds by the thousands afterwards, during the Cease Fire.
He fired on patrol aircraft, during the Cease Fire. He had a U.N. mandated No Fly Zone, for Iraq.
Clinton nor the U.N. did diddley squat. Bush, Sr. should have taken him, U.N. wishes or not.

Were the Kurds part of the cease fire?

There were NO U.N. mandated no fly zones. They weren't in the cease fire agreement. The US, France, and Britain decided to create them by themselves. So, actually, the US and Britain were violating the cease fire by violating Iraqi airspace and the Iraqis were trying to defend their airspace. Hell, the UN Sec Gen called them illegal.

And I'm sure we would have been stuck in the quagmire if Bush I decided to go all the way to Baghdad. Fortunately, Bush I was intelligent.

Read some history, Slow.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I don't remember Bush saying we were going to Iraq. WMD or not, as you view WMD, existed.

According to Richard Clarke, who was there, immediately after the 9/11 attacks Bush ordered the intelligence community to find a way to link 9/11 to Iraq, and was furious when they told him it couldn't be done. The fact is that Bush was jonesing for Iraq, and just wanted an excuse, any excuse, to go after them. You and I may disagree about whether, and why, we should have invaded, but it seems clear that the decision to go into Iraq was made before the administration had settled on a reason to do so; finding -- or manufacturing -- a reason was an afterthought.

[-Jrabbit]

Originally posted by SlowwHand

And Clinton never inhaled. What's your point?
Had he focused more on attacks against our troops, rather than on pounding sluts and denying a simple thing like pot, we wouldn't be where we are now.

My point was succinctly stated in the final sentence of my post.

It certainly does not exonerate the administration.

Why is it that whenever you don't have a reasonable response to an anti-Bush statement, you start yelling about Clinton? It's not like W fessed up to his cocaine days and blowing off National Guard duty.

Get a grip.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by SlowwHand


How? Read some history if nothing else.
He killed Kurds by the thousands afterwards, during the Cease Fire.
He fired on patrol aircraft, during the Cease Fire. He had a U.N. mandated No Fly Zone, for Iraq.
Clinton nor the U.N. did diddley squat. Bush, Sr. should have taken him, U.N. wishes or not.

The UN only endorsed the southern no fly zone but never authorized the northern no fly zone. The US & UK just declared the northern no fly zone without UN approval. Saddam said that northern no fly zone was illegal (and he was largely right though we had a good reason to declare the northern no fly zone).

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Is "Bush lied" going to be the internet's new spin on the religion vs atheism discussion?

you can't cure ignorance

[Patroklos]

The UN only endorsed the southern no fly zone but never authorized the northern no fly zone. The US & UK just declared the northern no fly zone without UN approval. Saddam said that northern no fly zone was illegal (and he was largely right though we had a good reason to declare the northern no fly zone).

Then too bad for Saddam since he illuminated our aircraft in BOTH no fly zones.

[Dinner]

Turning on radar /= firing though it is certainly suggestive of getting ready to fire. Tough call.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Oerdin
The UN only endorsed the southern no fly zone but never authorized the northern no fly zone. The US & UK just declared the northern no fly zone without UN approval. Saddam said that northern no fly zone was illegal (and he was largely right though we had a good reason to declare the northern no fly zone).

Do you have anything that indicates that the UN endorsed the southern no fly zone? Everything I've read indicates the UN didn't endorse either.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1175950.stm

However, unlike the military campaign to expel Iraqi forces from Kuwait, the no-fly zones were not authorised by the UN and they are not specifically sanctioned by any Security Council resolution.

[Dinner]

It appears you are right. Neither no fly zone was authorized. It's funny how you mix stuff up as the years go by.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1175950.stm

They were also just declared after the cease fire and Iraq never agreed to them.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Watch FOX news if nothing else.

fixed

[-Jrabbit]

I'd like to take this moment to point out that Oerdin has calmly acknowledged that he was wrong about something.

[Kidlicious]

I would like to point out that the idea of Slowwy saying, "watch FOX news if nothing else" is very humorous.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Turning on radar /= firing though it is certainly suggestive of getting ready to fire. Tough call.

Illuminated does not mean search radar, and has noting to do with tracking, it is for shooting purposes only. It means painting the target with illumination for semiactive radar homing, equivilent to painting a target with laser for a laser homing missle.

[Kidlicious]

"This election is about trust"

-McCain



I wonder what he meant by that. That guy accidentally says a lot of ****.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Were the Kurds part of the cease fire?

Uh, yeah.

There were NO U.N. mandated no fly zones. They weren't in the cease fire agreement. The US, France, and Britain decided to create them by themselves. So, actually, the US and Britain were violating the cease fire by violating Iraqi airspace and the Iraqis were trying to defend their airspace. Hell, the UN Sec Gen called them illegal.

Wrong. If you read nothing else, read 1441, at least once.

And I'm sure we would have been stuck in the quagmire if Bush I decided to go all the way to Baghdad. Fortunately, Bush I was intelligent.

Read some history, Slow.

I suggest you read some history.
The Iraqi military were surrendering in numbers that overwhelmed us. Taking them into what amounted to protective custody, was a staggering task. Actually, probably the most staggering task of the whole operation.