Liberal Fascism

[Patroklos]

Actually, I think he is hoping you won't repeat yourself.

[Arrian]

You've "spelled out" that you believe the Nazis were good economists who are responsible for the "greatest economic recovery/expansion in human history."

I disagree with you. You provided a source. I read the source, and read up a bit on the underlying source. BOTH OF THEM disagree with you - leading me back to my original recollection of the history of all this: that the Nazis weren't particularly good economists.

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
You've "spelled out" that you believe the Nazis were good economists who are responsible for the "greatest economic recovery/expansion in human history."

I disagree with you. You provided a source. I read the source, and read up a bit on the underlying source. BOTH OF THEM disagree with you - leading me back to my original recollection of the history of all this: that the Nazis weren't particularly good economists.

-Arrian

Yes they had no where to go but up. WRONG! They could go nowhere, just like during the Weimer. You are just making stupid **** up.

[Arrian]

Jesus Christo you're dense.

You provided me with a source (an interesting one, even though it's some alternative history buff's writeup of what an expert said in a book). I actually read it because I was interested, and I figured maybe I'd learn something.

What I learned was that your characterization of the Nazis' economic performance is, as I initially suspected, wrong. I didn't make anything up. I used your own ****ing source material to show you that you're off-base.

-Arrian

[Arrian]

Money quote:

It is interesting to note that German productivity only grew 1.3% per year from 1929 to 1938, roughly half the growth rate of Britain in the same period. The primary effect of the Nazi policies was to recover from the substantial collapse of the German economy early in the Great Depression, not to stimulate unusual amounts of fundamentally new capacity.

You're the one claiming the Nazis were economic golden boys. I'm simply claiming they were kinda mediocre.

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
I used your own ****ing source material to show you that you're off-base.

-Arrian

No you haven't.

I used that source for the statistics contained within. That's what I quoted. They prove my point. They rest of the article neither supports or contradicts my claims. You are making up strawmen.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
Money quote:



You're the one claiming the Nazis were economic golden boys. I'm simply claiming they were kinda mediocre.

-Arrian

Productivity doesn't mean economic growth. The strategy in question was specifically not to increase productivity. Like I said, you aren't making any sense.

[Arrian]

Do you even know what a strawman is? Based on your (edit: second to) last post, I don't think so.

Creating a strawman would be me mischaracterizing your argument into something I could easily defeat, and then "burning the strawman" (defeating the fake argument). I haven't done that. I'VE QUOTED YOU. And then, using the source you provided, I showed you the flaws in your argument.

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
Do you even know what a strawman is? Based on your (edit: second to) last post, I don't think so.

Creating a strawman would be me mischaracterizing your argument into something I could easily defeat, and then "burning the strawman" (defeating the fake argument). I haven't done that. I'VE QUOTED YOU. And then, using the source you provided, I showed you the flaws in your argument.

-Arrian

Look dude, you even admitted that the economy did well. Your only claim is that they didn't improve productivity. I never said they did. Strawman.

[Kidlicious]

And how absurd is it to say that the Nazi policies were inferior to free market policies. Does anyone actually believe that free market policies would have done anything? That has to be posturing. No one can be serious with that.

[Arrian]

Wait a minute here... which one of us is creating strawmen? Seems to me it's you.

Any comments on that from the peanut gallery?

-Arrian

[Arrian]

The claim made by the person who wrote that alternativehistory piece we've both quoted from is not that the Nazi policies were inferior to "free market policies" (by which I think you mean old-style laize-faire policies) but rather that they are inferior to "modern counter-cyclical economic policies" - and that the Nazis did not, in fact, preside over an economic miracle. They did so-so. Further, what they did wasn't much different than the policies they inherited in 1933 (until the change in 1936 of course, which I think you and I agree about).

That's the claim, and it sounds right to me, based on what I've seen (either during our current discussion, or back in school).

-Arrian

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Arrian
Wait a minute here... which one of us is creating strawmen? Seems to me it's you.

Any comments on that from the peanut gallery?

-Arrian

I can't tell one way or the other. Whenever Kid quotes you and then responds, his responses have nothing at all to do with what you said. As far as I can tell, he's become completely incoherent.

Maybe that means he's using strawmen? Maybe, because you are coherent and are responding as if he were as well, you're not responding to his incoherent argument, and thus you're making strawmen? I honestly have no idea.

[BeBMan]

This thread

[Arrian]

Returning to the scene of the crime, eh Bebro?

-Arrian