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  • #1

    Freedom of speech

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    http://www.electricretard.com/archive.html


    Should it be banned?

    Is there a limit to freespeech?
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    I think the're should be a limit; I really think art can subtly influence yourself; the effect of art is vicious, as water entering a dam and take it apart, slowly but surely.

    I do think that society is based on morality & civility. Which sometimes freespeech can trespass these things.

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    If people think that promoting this website is.... offensive. Just said it to me, I'll remove the link!
    Last edited by CrONoS; May 30, 2008, 12:01.
    bleh
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  • #2
    The only limit I can support wrt free speech is when it creates an immenent threat of violence (like "FIRE" in a threater or "kill that guy RIGHT NOW").

    Otherwise, it should be free and open. Art being able to influence others is not a good reason to ban it. That influence need not be a bad thing. And if you believe it is bad, then you can use your own free speech to counter those effects.
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #3
      So what we're supposed to do when there's indeed FIRE in a theatre
      Blah

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      • #4
        Well, then it sucks to be you
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
          The only limit I can support wrt free speech is when it creates an immenent threat of violence (like "FIRE" in a threater or "kill that guy RIGHT NOW").

          Otherwise, it should be free and open. Art being able to influence others is not a good reason to ban it. That influence need not be a bad thing. And if you believe it is bad, then you can use your own free speech to counter those effects.
          Some people might prefer to be punched in the face than have to endure some of the things people say to them.
          Only feebs vote.

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          • #6
            Freedom of speech should be limited to only statements I agree with.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
              The only limit I can support wrt free speech is when it creates an immenent threat of violence (like "FIRE" in a threater or "kill that guy RIGHT NOW").

              Otherwise, it should be free and open. Art being able to influence others is not a good reason to ban it. That influence need not be a bad thing. And if you believe it is bad, then you can use your own free speech to counter those effects.
              Do we need law against books that is promoting disorder, rape, murder? (without targeting anybody directly)

              Do we need law against the sites that I sent below?

              While I understand your position, I think you give too much credit to the nature of man, which is for me, naturally instinctive and destructive. While you can transform a man to a monster by publicity, propaganda, art(which used the same channel to influence human emotion) in a very effective way by less time than it could take to civilize the man again.

              (deleted 2n part, because it didn't add anything to my point)
              Last edited by CrONoS; May 30, 2008, 12:09.
              bleh

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              • #8
                While I understand your position, I think you give too much credit to the nature of man, which is for me, naturally instinctive and destructive
                That "instinctive and destructive" nature manifests itself in governmental power as much (if not moreso) as it does in the actions of individuals.

                Imran

                -Arrian
                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Arrian


                  That "instinctive and destructive" nature manifests itself in governmental power as much (if not moreso) as it does in the actions of individuals.

                  Imran

                  -Arrian
                  Who spoke about government here?
                  bleh

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                  • #10
                    Only hippies go around demanding things for free. People should pay (me) for speech just like they do for anything else of value
                    THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                    AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                    AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                    DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                    • #11
                      @Imraam
                      Should the website that I pointed it, in the OP should be banned Imraam?
                      bleh

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CrONoS


                        Who spoke about government here?
                        Who is going to ban speech if not the government, or an entity acting in such a role?
                        <Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
                        I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.

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                        • #13
                          free speech is fundamental to a free society.

                          imran put it very well.
                          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BeBro
                            So what we're supposed to do when there's indeed FIRE in a theatre
                            Get out quick. Avoid the last-minute rush.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by snoopy369


                              Who is going to ban speech if not the government, or an entity acting in such a role?
                              And? Government take our money through tax and few people will claim that government shouldn't do that. What I mean was, this is not an argument against the principle of limited freespeech or unlimited free speech.

                              Anyway... I just watched these cartoons, and I thought about if there is things that can be banned. My mind is not fixed on this issue,...
                              bleh

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