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  • #76
    Originally posted by Patroklos
    I am still curious as to where you are getting this. It makes as much sense as worrying about of anti-matter cannons or teleportation machines.
    Because it's been seriously studied at least twice, and I see no reason for it not to be seriously researched again (or still).

    An anti-missile shield would basically allow you to attack rogue countries that went nuclear, it'd be extremely useful strategically, and not nearly as sci-fi as teleportation.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by PLATO
      My bet is that Israel will be forced at some point to pop a nuke in self defense.
      That won't be a holocaust. They don't have enough weapons, and it's hard to see their use generating anything other than a regional conflagration. The same goes for most of the others on the list, even China, which has very few nuclear weapons. I guess the incompetent British might accidentally nuke on of their own cities (please let it be Manchester), but that's small beer.

      If you're looking for a holocaust, it's basically the US or the Russians.
      Only feebs vote.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Agathon

        If you're looking for a holocaust, it's basically the US or the Russians.
        The question was which country would start a nuke holocaust - not who would finish it.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Spiffor

          Because it's been seriously studied at least twice, and I see no reason for it not to be seriously researched again (or still).

          An anti-missile shield would basically allow you to attack rogue countries that went nuclear, it'd be extremely useful strategically, and not nearly as sci-fi as teleportation.
          Teleportation is about as likely as a 100% perfect shield... you can catch 5,000 missiles, but if you let in the 5001st you're just as screwed ...
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Patroklos
            Has our nuclear arsena not always been publized? I know France likes to trumpet theirs a bit. Despite nukes being the "best" way to bring nations to their knees, have we not been using conventional weapons to do so instead since 1945?
            Bravo Einstein.

            Spiffor has already pointed out why he thinks this could change in the future. Did you read his post?
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            • #81
              Would anyone else bother to get involved with Pakistan/India? I don't think so. There would be some nuke general posturing and photo ops but no launch.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by snoopy369
                Teleportation is about as likely as a 100% perfect shield... you can catch 5,000 missiles, but if you let in the 5001st you're just as screwed ...
                Absolutely.

                However, overconfidence in technology isn't uncommon in the US. Your countrymen might well feel 100% protected because of American patriotic technology, just like they swallowed the idea that smart bombs led to a "clean war".

                I'm not saying the Americans are constantly believing in such crap. Actually, I expect the US to be wise more often than not.
                However, I've witnessed the craze prior to the war in Iraq. And given the right circumstances, the American leaders and people might well have that fantasy (fueled by self-righteousness) of an absolute competence into their unstoppable abilities, again.
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                • #83
                  "again" The previous time being the 'War to Save France's Sorry Ass'?

                  The only question then would be 1st or 2nd.

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                  • #84
                    Well the French did help those colonists fight their war against Mother Britain, so I suppose they knew a good thing when they saw one.
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                    • #85
                      Bravo Einstein.

                      Spiffor has already pointed out why he thinks this could change in the future. Did you read his post?
                      I am asking for a plausible reason for him to think that. But since apparently you don't believe in plausible reasons, I declare the point moot because albino brain chiggers will make nukes ineffective in 2019. FACT!

                      However, overconfidence in technology isn't uncommon in the US. Your countrymen might well feel 100% protected because of American patriotic technology, just like they swallowed the idea that smart bombs led to a "clean war".
                      Example?

                      And smart wars did lead to "clean" war by any honest relative measure.
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                      • #86
                        How many nukes would have to land in India or Pakistan before you could really tell the difference? 4000? 5000?
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                        • #87
                          Giga bombs or normal 100 Mton bombs?
                          You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by snoopy369


                            Teleportation is about as likely as a 100% perfect shield... you can catch 5,000 missiles, but if you let in the 5001st you're just as screwed ...
                            Not really. Loosing a city is not MAD.
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                            • #89
                              I voted for Mars. The Martian resistance would have the most to gain. Free Mars!
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Wezil

                                The question was which country would start a nuke holocaust - not who would finish it.
                                That was my point. None of the others can do any more than start a limited conflagration. Even if North Korea fired one or two missiles at the US, retaliation would be limited to North Korea.
                                Only feebs vote.

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