NATO members show how much they value the Alliance

[Wezil]

Originally posted by TCO


The Euro trash didn't like Reagan either. Remember the whole nuclear freeze movement.

Anti-Americanism is nothing new but GWB managed to take it to a whole new level.

[TCO]

Good. I like it, that those scum are upset.

[Wezil]

It's not very patriotic of you to refer to Americans as "scum".

[Agathon]

I would have thought that the obligation to send troops to Afghanistan ended the moment Bush invaded Iraq. It's one thing to contribute to helping an ally root out criminals that attacked it, it is another thing entirely to engage in a wholesale overturning of the international order by a cretin. Since the action in Afghanistan was stained by later events, no-one should have helped.

NATO is an anachronism anyway.

The Euro trash didn't like Reagan either. Remember the whole nuclear freeze movement.

The fact that your countrymen seem incapable of civilized behaviour or even the basics of rationality tends to rub normal people up the wrong way.

The funny thing is that Reagan was sane compared to some of his advisers.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
I would have thought that the obligation to send troops to Afghanistan ended the moment Bush invaded Iraq.

What the hell kind of logic is this?

Invading Iraq has no bearing on the legitimacy of Afghanistan. I would suggest you take an introductory philosophy of logic course, but I guess there's no point.

[TCO]

Better to be the troll than the trollee

[TCO]

Aggies next defense will be that those who didn't help in Afghanistan at all, did so because they knew we would invade Iraq later.

[TCO]

Personally, I didn't want any help. Except for the Brits. Oh...and the Aussies. They come to all our wars.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Asher


What the hell kind of logic is this?

Invading Iraq has no bearing on the legitimacy of Afghanistan. I would suggest you take an introductory philosophy of logic course, but I guess there's no point.

An argument could be made that NATO troops in Afghanistan freed up US troops to fight in Iraq. Perhaps this was where he was going with that.

[Patroklos]

An argument could be made that NATO troops in Afghanistan freed up US troops to fight in Iraq. Perhaps this was where he was going with that.

He could, but that would be equally stupid. American troops not in Afghansitan do whatever the hell America wants them to. Just like everyone elses troops.

The reason it is so necessary to link Afghanistan to Iraq is that everyone knows Afghanistan is legit no questions asked. Its an open and shut case. They know what they are doing in regards to that front is disgraceful, so they have to link it to something irrlevant to it but generally unpopular.

[Wezil]

It's not an argument I would make either, but every non-US NATO troop in Afghanistan is one more US troop available to go elsewhere. Even you can't deny that reality.

"everyone knows..." Are you not reading other people's posts again?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by TCO
Aggies next defense will be that those who didn't help in Afghanistan at all, did so because they knew we would invade Iraq later.

Don't be stupid.

How about you try posting something that makes sense and isn't another piece of reactionary nonsense?

I guess you think that everyone ought to stay in a war when it is clear that it is no longer the arguably just war you signed up for.

[OzzyKP]

Afghanistan is no longer a just war? Why?

What has changed in the last few years?

We went in to kick out Al Qeida and fix a failed state that was vulnerable to extremism. I don't think that mission has changed, nor has the need for it.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Agathon


Don't be stupid.

How about you try posting something that makes sense and isn't another piece of reactionary nonsense?

I guess you think that everyone ought to stay in a war when it is clear that it is no longer the arguably just war you signed up for.

I don't think we should occupy either Afghanistan or Iraq. They are fool's errands. I was fine with waltzing in and smashing things.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
Afghanistan is no longer a just war? Why?

What has changed in the last few years?

We went in to kick out Al Qeida and fix a failed state that was vulnerable to extremism. I don't think that mission has changed, nor has the need for it.

that the liberation/occupation has been f* up and that there is no way but out to get it better now...

with all the funds that were poured into Iraq Afghanistan would have been central Asian heaven by now... stays as an option in some alternative universe