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    WASHINGTON — Texas says sometimes the sexual assault of a child can be so violent or obscene that the only appropriate punishment is to execute the offender.

    And Wednesday, Texas Solicitor General Ted Cruz will make that case to the U.S. Supreme Court, arguing that state legislatures have the constitutional right to allow the death penalty for child rapists.

    The case before the court, Kennedy vs. Louisiana, concerns a Louisiana law and the case of a Jefferson Parrish, La., man convicted of raping his 8-year-old stepdaughter. But striking down that law could call into question Texas’ 2007 “Jessica’s Law,” which allows the execution of certain repeat child sex offenders.

    The Supreme Court ruled 30 years ago that death was an excessive penalty for the aggravated rape of a 16 year-old girl. But Mr. Cruz said that decision implicitly left open the door for capital punishment for the rape of children in referring to that victim as an adult.

    “The damage inflicted on this 8-year-old girl … will remain with her every day of her life,” Mr. Cruz said. “The Constitution does not prohibit elected legislatures from making the determination that the most egregious forms of child rape should permit the jury to impose the most serious sentence.”

    But the prospect of capital punishment could lead to fewer abuses being reported because most child sexual abuse is committed by someone known to and even loved by the victims, said Judy Benitez, executive director of Louisiana Federation Against Sexual Assault. The group is leading a coalition of victims groups opposed to applying the death penalty for child rapes, including the Texas Association Against Sexual Assault.

    “These are extremely manipulative people,” she said. “They say to the child, ‘If you tell, you’re going to make the police come and take me away, and then how is Mom going to pay the bills.’ They put it very much on the child.”

    The groups also argue that if the death penalty can be imposed for child rape, it could make some offenders more likely to kill their victims to prevent them from testifying, she said.

    Aside from the moral arguments, David Bruck, executive director of the Virginia Capital Case Clearinghouse at Washington and Lee Law School, said Mr. Cruz and the lawyers for Louisiana face serious legal hurdles.

    “The Supreme Court doesn’t take very many easy cases, but this should be one,” he said. “The rape of a child is not the same as killing a child, that’s basically what the court said [in 1977]. … Horrible as the crime is, it is not equivalent.”

    Mr. Bruck said the court could strike down the Louisiana law and leave Texas’ statute intact because it more narrowly restricts cases in which the death penalty could apply. A ruling is expected later this year.

    POINT/COUNTERPOINT

    Arguments for and against allowing the execution of those who sexually assault children:

    AGAINST

    Execution is “cruel and unusual punishment” when applied to child rape cases because the Supreme Court already ruled that it is excessive in rape cases when the victim was not also killed.

    Executions for child rape mean the penalties for rape and murder are the same so an offender may be more likely to kill a victim.

    Executing child rapists may make it more likely for some child sexual abuse to go unreported.

    Louisiana’s law, the subject of the case being argued today, is too broad because it could apply to any rape of a child under 12, not just the most egregious.

    FOR

    Execution is not necessarily barred by previous rulings as excessive for all rape cases, merely for the rape of an adult woman.

    Violent rape of a child is particularly egregious and shows “a degree of manifest evil, that is qualitatively” different from other rapes.

    Society’s moral standards are evolving to recognize the horror and damage caused by child rape and impose stricter punishments on perpetrators.

    Louisiana’s aggravated rape law, which also includes rape of the elderly, allows the death penalty only for rape of children under 12.


    In an associated matter,

    Supreme Court upholds Kentucky's use of lethal injections


    10:48 AM CT The justices turned back a constitutional challenge to the procedures in place in Kentucky, which uses three drugs to sedate, paralyze and kill inmates. Similar methods are used by roughly three dozen states, including Texas.
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    Killing people
    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
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    • #3
      That's the same thing the legal system thinks, and why Texas will argure it.
      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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      • #4
        What is the Supreme Court's view of child papists?

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        • #5
          Out of interest, a question to those that hold this opinion.

          Originally posted by SlowwHand
          Execution is “cruel and unusual punishment”...
          It maybe unusual in this case but under what grounds would it be cruel?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by SlowwHand
            That's the same thing the legal system thinks, and why Texas will argure it.
            Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
            The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
            The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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            • #7
              Don´t drink and rape
              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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              • #8
                As the article says:

                “The Supreme Court doesn’t take very many easy cases, but this should be one,” he said. “The rape of a child is not the same as killing a child, that’s basically what the court said [in 1977]. … Horrible as the crime is, it is not equivalent.”


                Should be a slam dunk here.
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #9
                  It shouldn't be a Supreme Court Issue. It is a State Issue.

                  "Cruel and unusual"...that seems to describe to me what happened to someone's 8 year old little girl.

                  Killing a bastard that would do that as opposed to feeding and housing him for the next 50 years seems like the best alternative.

                  Surely no one would ever advocate letting that kind of person loose on society again.
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                  • #10
                    It shouldn't be a Supreme Court Issue. It is a State Issue.


                    Aside when it conflicts with the Constitution of the United States.
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #11
                      For me it sounds like a good reason for many rapists (in texas) to kill their victims instead of letting them go.

                      If they suspect that they get death penalty for their rape, this would be the best course of action they could take, after all with the victim (as witness) dead they have a much better chance to avoid getting caught (if they get executed no matter wether their victim survives or dies it would make no difference after all wether they let him/her live or kill him/her)
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                      • #12
                        repeat child rapists perhaps, but I doubt that they are thinking rationally about their penalty when they are raping children.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                          It shouldn't be a Supreme Court Issue. It is a State Issue.


                          Aside when it conflicts with the Constitution of the United States.
                          The "Cruel and Unusual" specification? Perhaps.

                          SCOTUS having found that the death penalty is allowable, however, I would say that the "cruel" part of the argument is already settled.

                          The unusual would only seem to apply if a State did not usually execute rapist of 8 year old girls. If they do, then it would not be unusual. The State should easily be able to handle this through legislating sentencing guidelines for the State Court to follow.

                          I think this is a win for Texas.
                          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PLATO
                            The "Cruel and Unusual" specification? Perhaps.

                            SCOTUS having found that the death penalty is allowable, however, I would say that the "cruel" part of the argument is already settled.

                            The unusual would only seem to apply if a State did not usually execute rapist of 8 year old girls. If they do, then it would not be unusual. The State should easily be able to handle this through legislating sentencing guidelines for the State Court to follow.

                            I think this is a win for Texas.
                            You are on something. The court has a settled precedent that the death penalty is only allowable in murder cases. Anything else would be deemed cruel and unusual punishment, because it would not be proportional to the crime committed (ultimate finality for ultimate finality).

                            I think it'd be one of the most shocking results in recent memory if Texas was able to get away with this.
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Proteus_MST
                              For me it sounds like a good reason for many rapists (in texas) to kill their victims instead of letting them go.

                              If they suspect that they get death penalty for their rape, this would be the best course of action they could take, after all with the victim (as witness) dead they have a much better chance to avoid getting caught (if they get executed no matter wether their victim survives or dies it would make no difference after all wether they let him/her live or kill him/her)
                              This is a strong argument (and was mentioned in the article) however this bit (also from the article)

                              ...most child sexual abuse is committed by someone known to and even loved by the victims...


                              would seem to make such an option hard to get away with. If the idea is to prevent the victim from testifying, the rapist/murderer would somehow have to explain their missing or dead loved one.
                              "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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