Why do conservatives think that...

[Kuciwalker]

Re: Why do conservatives think that...

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
the government can "manage" migration better than the market?

Most conservatives people are idiots.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by CrONoS


In short and medium term; wages would be lower.

In short and medium terms costs would be lower too.

Don't fall into the one-sided fallacy here.

Also, I might note that most real studies can't find very much evidence of depression of even low-skill wages by large amounts of Mexican migration to southern US cities.

If you want, arrange for a yearly transfer to native-born Canadians of X thousand dollars financed by taxes on immigrants....

[jkp1187]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Burkean conservatism is dead, jkp.

But even modern conservatism contains the kernel of skepticism about that which is new. Modern American conservatives may lack the panache of a Burke, but in the broadest strokes, their concerns are the same.

Even the religious conservatives view themselves as conducting a rear-guard political action to protect their faith and way of life.

EDIT: And again, even modern conservatives are not necessarily the guardians of the free market.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Burkean conservatism is dead, jkp.

jkp has the answer to your question, whether you agree or not

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
If you want, arrange for a yearly transfer to native-born Canadians of X thousand dollars financed by taxes on immigrants....

That makes immigrants second-class citizens

[Patroklos]

I can't understand why some liberals still own private property either.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by snoopy369


jkp has the answer to your question, whether you agree or not

Given that most conservatives have been willing to experiment in the past by drastically reducing regulation and marginal tax rates on the highest brackets you might find me a little bit skeptical of the legitimacy of this philosophy when it's applied narrowly to a single issue.



In other words, I accept that some are mouthing the words. But what's the real reason?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


That makes immigrants second-class citizens

Better a second class citizen of Canada than a first of a lot of places.

(and I know you weren't really objecting)

[snoopy369]

The real reason is that conservatives don't like anything that will drastically change their society... like immigrants.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Patroklos
I can't understand why some liberals still own private property either.

So they don't have to pay rent. Duh.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Patroklos
I can't understand why some liberals still own private property either.

Much of modern American liberalism is a confused mishmash. American conservatives have had (for a few decades) a more unified and coherent political philosophy (despite what anybody thinks of its truth).

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by snoopy369
The real reason is that conservatives don't like anything that will drastically change their society... like immigrants.

Again, where was this objection when the "Reagan revolution" and the Contract with America occurred?

[Kuciwalker]

I'm pretty sure almost all of the anti-immigrant conservatives are poorer and/or populists. The Wall Street types are all for immigration.

So it's poorly masked xenophobia and/or class "interests".

[snoopy369]

I don't think conservatives have ever not felt this way. Certainly not in recent (~50 years) history. Why are conservatives for criminalizing abortion, drugs, etc., for permitting religious displays in schools, for limiting/eliminating immigration (legal or otherwise)... the list goes on. All have the same answer.

[Patroklos]

Hmmm, interesting to hear yousay that KH. I have heard the same thing stated about conservatism being a mishmash with fiscal/family values/religious/market/privacy types all included under one hat when in reality they have little to unite them anymore.

Which would be my main objection to the OP, that "conservatives" are not of one mind on everything.