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  • #16
    Originally posted by DaShi


    Not necessarily. Modern science evolved from changes in attitude toward religion. There was a movement away from blind faith toward a more rationale and philosophical explanation of faith. It's the trend back to blind faith (especially strong here in America) that is disturbing. I blame the inevitable degradation of protestantism.
    Yes, except that there are core elements that cannot be questioned - 'is there a god', 'was Jesus Christ the savior', etc. Those must be - by definition - taken on faith. The bible goes into detail on this - Jesus explicitly states that you must believe, on faith, in him. Admittedly that was probably added post-fact (even if anything was true of the bible, of course) by the writers of the gospel(s), but ... point is, you must take some of it on faith no matter how much you 'question'.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Blake
      If you want to understand the world, understand buddhism.

      Buddhism basically supports the "it's fundamentally reasonless" view, along with the guarantee that you WILL go mad if you think about it too hard. If you wish to have all the sanity that it is possible to have, you do well to not seek reason in the reasonless.
      I believe that the universe has laws, like this one:

      Eb… the effect of your “link to Buddhism” posts on the reader
      Np… the number of these posts
      T… how much time the poster spends on poly (expressed in hours per day)

      I… how ideologically charged he is
      B… banana

      Eb=(I x T / Np ) x B

      so you see for your massive spamming of these comments to have any effect the person in question has to have an ideological charge of less than 1 but more than 0, and has to spend as little time on poly as possible.
      Last edited by Heraclitus; March 24, 2008, 18:43.
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      The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
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      • #18
        I propose that we abolish the notion of "natural law". It's so 18th century. Instead we should refer to the regular relationships of nature as "properties" - of gravity, of thermodynamics, of genetics, and etc., etc.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by snoopy369
          Atheism is a religion also most certainly
          No, it is not. Atheism is an idea or belief, like Polytheism or Monotheism.

          That by itself does not form a religion, which is a set of behaviors and rules.

          It would be possible to create an Atheistic religion, but the belief that there are no deities is NOT in any way or form a religion.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Zoid
            I refuse to accept that there is no reason behind the universe. If there isn't any reason, what's the point of being here? Things don't just happen, they happen for a reason. We may not understand that reason yet, but we're getting there. Throughout human history man has searched for the meaning of life and existence. Why are things the way they are and not the other way around? Now you could handle this by saying that it's fundamentally reasonless, but I think that's a cop-out. We have an obligation to ourselves to strive for knowledge.
            What is the point of there being a reason? Does it really change anything for there to be a meaning, or not? Will the earth stop spinning around the sun, or will plants stop photosynthsizing if it turns out there is no reason or meaning to any of it?
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            • #21
              Originally posted by GePap


              No, it is not. Atheism is an idea or belief, like Polytheism or Monotheism.

              That by itself does not form a religion, which is a set of behaviors and rules.

              It would be possible to create an Atheistic religion, but the belief that there are no deities is NOT in any way or form a religion.
              I would suggest you mean organized religion. Many religions are not organized... and atheism is most certainly a set of beliefs (which is one definition of religion).
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              • #22
                Originally posted by snoopy369


                I would suggest you mean organized religion. Many religions are not organized... and atheism is most certainly a set of beliefs (which is one definition of religion).
                No, that is PART of one definiton of religion.

                Here are a few defintions:

                re·li·gion (rĭ-lĭj'ən) Pronunciation Key
                n.

                Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
                A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
                The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
                A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
                A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.


                re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
                –noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
                2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
                3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
                4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
                5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
                6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
                7. religions, Archaic. religious rites.
                8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
                —Idiom


                and the Etymology:
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                religion

                c.1200, "state of life bound by monastic vows," also "conduct indicating a belief in a divine power," from Anglo-Fr. religiun (11c.), from O.Fr. religion "religious community," from L. religionem (nom. religio) "respect for what is sacred, reverence for the gods," in L.L. "monastic life" (5c.); according to Cicero, derived from relegare "go through again, read again," from re- "again" + legere "read" (see lecture). However, popular etymology among the later ancients (and many modern writers) connects it with religare "to bind fast" (see rely), via notion of "place an obligation on," or "bond between humans and gods." Another possible origin is religiens "careful," opposite of negligens. Meaning "particular system of faith" is recorded from c.1300.
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                • #23
                  I am sick of people saying "Atheism is a religion."

                  No one ever says "Polytheism is a religion" or "Monotheism is a religion", so why then **** is saying "Atheism is a religion" any less nonsensical??

                  A belief (ie. dieties do not exist) is not " a set of beliefs", it is just one, singular, belief.

                  It would be possible to have an Atheistic religion, but Atheism in an of itself is no more a religion than Polytheism or Monotheism by themselves.
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                  • #24
                    Well. I do understand the guy's point, but there are differences between faith and science. Not that they are mutually exclusive, they aren't, but you still can't call science faith either.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Zoid
                      I refuse to accept that there is no reason behind the universe. If there isn't any reason, what's the point of being here? Things don't just happen, they happen for a reason. We may not understand that reason yet, but we're getting there. Throughout human history man has searched for the meaning of life and existence. Why are things the way they are and not the other way around? Now you could handle this by saying that it's fundamentally reasonless, but I think that's a cop-out. We have an obligation to ourselves to strive for knowledge.
                      What's with this desire people have for there to be a reason or a point to existence? So what if there's no point to being alive. Things still are. You may be a brief collection of atoms and aspirations but you still love and lust, grieve and mourn. So what if in the whole of eternity that means absolutely nothing? So what if its a collection of chemical interactions proceeding down a negative slope toward entropy? It still happens. It still matters, even if only to you. Spend all your time trying to find a point for existing and you'll never give any time to being the the point of existing.
                      Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                      -Richard Dawkins

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                      • #26
                        Somehow I think that Zoid is ROFLHAOF
                        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by GePap
                          I am sick of people saying "Atheism is a religion."

                          No one ever says "Polytheism is a religion" or "Monotheism is a religion", so why then **** is saying "Atheism is a religion" any less nonsensical??

                          A belief (ie. dieties do not exist) is not " a set of beliefs", it is just one, singular, belief.

                          It would be possible to have an Atheistic religion, but Atheism in an of itself is no more a religion than Polytheism or Monotheism by themselves.
                          Please create your own thread to argue semantics. It's just sad to see it here.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by GePap
                            I am sick of people saying "Atheism is a religion."
                            Atheism is a religion in which Nothing is sacred.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Zkribbler


                              Atheism is a religion in which Nothing is sacred.

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                              Good point Zkribbler!
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Zkribbler


                                Atheism is a religion in which Nothing is sacred.

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                                Buddhism is a religion in which Emptiness is sacred.

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