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What would have happened if Hitler hadn't invaded the Soviet Union?
What would have happened if Hitler hadn't invaded the Soviet Union?
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Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
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Possibly a Sealion, with Germany focusing on naval bombers and submarines to secure a sea passage.
Failing that, assuming Germany and America discover the bomb at the same time, a three-way Cold War...Last edited by Fake Boris; March 24, 2008, 14:58.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU. -
Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Failing that, assuming Germany and America discover the bomb at the same time, a three-way Cold War...
I don't know if that is a good description of the situation, unless you consider the real cold war to have been a three-way event, since China had quite a bit of influence.
The real question is what happens to the Soviet Union and the resistance movements across Europe. How much better off is the USSR economically speaking, also would Hitler have invaded the USSR later in lets say 1944 or 1945?
Also would have Sealion been a succes? Also what happens in north Africa and in the Middle east?Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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I would think that once nuclear weapons are made, any such possibility fades into oblivion.Originally posted by Heraclitus
The real question is what happens to the Soviet Union and the resistance movements across Europe. How much better off is the USSR economically speaking, also would Hitler have invaded the USSR later in lets say 1944 or 1945?
Tough call.Also would have Sealion been a succes? Also what happens in north Africa and in the Middle east?
If Germany doesn't make the same mistakes in the summer of 1940 - i.e. they destroy the BEF and focus on RAF objectives instead of cities, they might have a chance.
As for a possible Mediterranean strategy, there's a huge thread about that buried in the forum.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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Yes but you can not predict when nuclear weapons enter the picture. The Germans never dedicated the wast resources that America did, same could be said of the USSR of the period.Originally posted by Oncle Boris
I would think that once nuclear weapons are made, any such possibility fades into oblivion.
Tough call.
If Germany doesn't make the same mistakes in the summer of 1940 - i.e. they destroy the BEF and focus on RAF objectives instead of cities, they might have a chance.
As for a possible Mediterranean strategy, there's a huge thread about that buried in the forum.
Also nuclear weapons eliminate resistance how?Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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The BEF was destroyed, in terms of materials.Originally posted by Oncle Boris
If Germany doesn't make the same mistakes in the summer of 1940 - i.e. they destroy the BEF and focus on RAF objectives instead of cities, they might have a chance.
The Germans had no amphibious craft to launch an attack and would need to maintain air superiority for an extended period of time. Also, the Battle of Britain would have to have been a complete annihilation of aircraft, airstrips and other support infrastructure (despite extreme destruction of the same in the real time line, most airstrips, radar stations etc had downtimes on the order of hours). The chances of reducing the RAF to a sufficient level that the Royal Navy daren't intercede in the event of a channel crossing is, low.
The invasion of the Soviet Union was a long time after the loss of the Battle of Britain. I don't see a second bite at the cherry (a second attempt to invade the UK with materials and manpower reserved for Barbarossa) as being any more productive than the first time around.One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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If the BEF forces were to become POWs, there may have been an agreed peace with Germany. Something like 200,000 British soldiers were evacuated. Would have tugged at the heartstrings of the population.One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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I don't know, if the germans had dedicated their industry to aircraft and submarine construnction, the UK would have had to cave eventually.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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Are you basing that on gut feeling, or do you have a reason why you think that?One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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The Germans could outproduce Britain, untill 1941 they would have had just Britain to beat.Originally posted by Dauphin
Are you basing that on gut feeling, or do you have a reason why you think that?Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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That ignores Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, South Africa etc. It also ignores the US's armed neutrality.One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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Yes, it does since if Germans had control of the middle east & north africa and a had the chance to build more submarines and planes to keep the island isolated. The USSR's contribution to WW2 was immense, the UK and eventuallly the US (if they joined the war) would have to shoulder that as well. But just Britain vs. Germany would have resulted in a German victory, but not nesecarily the occupation of Britain.Originally posted by Dauphin
That ignores Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, South Africa etc. It also ignores the US's armed neutrality.
BTW What would Stalin be up to while all this is going on? And what of the Japs, do they still go for America or do they try to attack Australia and New Zeland?Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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Invading Britain isn't necessary - provided you can cut, or at least massively reduce, the amount of food imported by ship. That would have taken a major focus on building submarines, developing long range aircraft and possibly the V-weapons. At the same time Britain and Canada and the US would have been mass producing convoy escorts and light carriers. Could have gone either way.
Giving Rommel proper resources would have almost certainly cost the British Egypt, the Suez Canal and Middle East oil. Deploying major Luftwaffe formations to the Mediterannean would have made the theatre largely untenable for the RN to try and stop the flow of supplies to N Africa.
One other point. Hitler virtually stopped the German research programme for a year in 1940/41 and German technology, notably radar, never caught up. If he had not done so that would have made a major difference by 1942/43, whoever Germany was fighting at that stage.
Stalin wasn't going to do anything after purging virtually anyone with any military competence from the Red Army.Never give an AI an even break.Comment
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Most likely right. He got a feeling of his army not being ready, after the Finnish winter debacle, and seeing how Germany had pwned France.Originally posted by CerberusIV
Stalin wasn't going to do anything after purging virtually anyone with any military competence from the Red Army.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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Even in 1944 or 1945? Also where would the USSR be economicaly?Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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