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  • It's "common knowledge" that Iran is helping al-Qaeda...

    ... according to McCain.

    A McCain Gaffe in Jordan

    By Cameron W. Barr and Michael D. Shear
    AMMAN, Jordan -- Sen. John McCain, traveling in the Middle East to promote his foreign policy expertise, misidentified in remarks Tuesday which broad category of Iraqi extremists are allegedly receiving support from Iran.

    He said several times that Iran, a predominately Shiite country, was supplying the mostly Sunni militant group, al-Qaeda. In fact, officials have said they believe Iran is helping Shiite extremists in Iraq.

    Speaking to reporters in Amman, the Jordanian capital, McCain said he and two Senate colleagues traveling with him continue to be concerned about Iranian operatives "taking al-Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back."

    Pressed to elaborate, McCain said it was "common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that's well known. And it's unfortunate." A few moments later, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, standing just behind McCain, stepped forward and whispered in the presidential candidate's ear. McCain then said: "I'm sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda."


    The mistake threatened to undermine McCain's argument that his decades of foreign policy experience make him the natural choice to lead a country at war with terrorists. In recent days, McCain has repeatedly said his intimate knowledge of foreign policy make him the best equipped to answer a phone ringing in the White House late at night.

    McCain was in Jordan leading a week-long Congressional delegation and has stressed that the trip was not political, despite the decision to hold a fundraiser in London later this week.

    But advisers said a side-benefit from the trip would be the image of McCain standing next to world leaders and showing his expertise on issues of war and terrorism.

    The U.S. has long asserted that elements of the Iranian security forces have been training and supplying weapons to Iraq's Shiite militias. Iran is an overwhelmingly Shiite country whose government has applauded the emergence of a Shiite-led government in Iraq but has denied supporting Shiite militias inside Iraq.

    Al-Qaeda in Iraq is a predominantly Sunni militant group which is blamed for deadly mass killings of Shiites, along with attacks on U.S. forces. Some extremist Sunni consider Shiites to be heretics and therefore legitimate targets of attack.

    The schism between Islam's Sunni and Shiite sects grew out of a dispute over the leadership of the faithful following the death of the Prophet Muhammad in 632 AD.


    Your Republican nominee.

    I wonder exactly what it was that Lieberman told McCain...
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  • #2
    Liebermann probably said "no AQ, John" or something like that. No biggie... he misspoke, and quickly corrected himself when it was pointed out.
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    • #3
      Re: It's "common knowledge" that Iran is helping al-Qaeda...

      Originally posted by Ramo
      I wonder exactly what it was that Lieberman told McCain...
      Probably: "The Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda."

      No biggie... he misspoke, and quickly corrected himself when it was pointed out.
      I'm not so sure. Since 9-11, the Bush administration has been successful at creating confusion as to the difference between al Qaeda, Iraqi nationalists, Shia fanatics, Fatayeen, etc., etc. etc. McCain's "misspeaking" may indicate that, like so many others, he is unable to tell the difference.

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      • #4
        Here's the full text:

        McCain In Amman, Jordan Today:

        McCain: Well, it’s common knowledge and has been reported in the media that Al Qaeda is going back into Iran and is receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran. That’s well known and it’s unfortunate. So I believe that we are succeeding in Iraq - the situation has dramatically improved, but I also want to emphasize time and again Al Qaeda is on the run, but they are not defeated. We are seeing a major battle take place in Mosul as we speak. The southern part of Iraq has other difficulties as we well know. So I am pleased with the progress, we have a long way to go, and I am deeply concerned about Iranian influence, not only in Iraq, but on nuclear weapons; on sponsorship of Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations, and if we leave Iraq it will enhance Iranian influence in the region to the detriment, I think, of every nation in the region.

        [Lieberman whispers in McCain's ear]

        McCain: I’m sorry; the Iranians are training the extremists, not Al Qaeda. Not Al Qaeda. I’m sorry.
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        It's interesting that he mentions Mosul. That's a predominantly Sunni Arab and Kurdish area, where one would expect there not to be a battle between a Shia militia and the government, and where AQI has been more active.

        I think the man is genuinely confused about basic Iraqi politics. Isn't that supposed to be his signature issue?
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        • #5
          Yeah, he's been using "AQ" and "terrorist" as synonyms for too long. It's a rather large distinction in this case, but it seems to be a slip of the tongue, attributable to campaign fatigue. I can easily believe that Iran is arming Shiite insurgents, though I didn't know it was common knowledge in any sense.
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          • #6
            Re: Re: It's "common knowledge" that Iran is helping al-Qaeda...

            Originally posted by Zkribbler
            I'm not so sure. Since 9-11, the Bush administration has been successful at creating confusion as to the difference between al Qaeda, Iraqi nationalists, Shia fanatics, Fatayeen, etc., etc. etc. McCain's "misspeaking" may indicate that, like so many others, he is unable to tell the difference.
            I'd buy that if he stuck to what he said if someone pointed it out. But the fact that he quickly corrected himself makes me think it was just a gaffe.
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Elok
              ... I can easily believe that Iran is arming Shiite insurgents, though I didn't know it was common knowledge in any sense.
              I thought Iran arming Shiite militias and insurgents was common knowledge.

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              • #8
                Um, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Iran is supplying weapons and bombs used by AQ in Iraq. Not exclusively, but definitely in part.

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                • #9
                  Re: Re: It's "common knowledge" that Iran is helping al-Qaeda...

                  Originally posted by Zkribbler
                  I'm not so sure. Since 9-11, the Bush administration has been successful at creating confusion as to the difference between al Qaeda, Iraqi nationalists, Shia fanatics, Fatayeen, etc., etc. etc. McCain's "misspeaking" may indicate that, like so many others, he is unable to tell the difference.
                  As if Americans were able to tell the difference before.
                  What?

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                  • #10
                    I'd buy that if he stuck to what he said if someone pointed it out. But the fact that he quickly corrected himself makes me think it was just a gaffe.
                    The Mosul thing indicates genuine confusion.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ramo
                      Here's the full text:


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                      It's interesting that he mentions Mosul. That's a predominantly Sunni Arab and Kurdish area, where one would expect there not to be a battle between a Shia militia and the government, and where AQI has been more active.

                      I think the man is genuinely confused about basic Iraqi politics. Isn't that supposed to be his signature issue?
                      All he said is there is a battle in Mosul.

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                      • #12
                        Yes, he randomly threw that into a quote supposedly about Shia militias. Right....
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                        • #13
                          Sorta like it was common knowledge that Saddam had nukes...

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                          • #14


                            9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
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                            • #15
                              I read the Report of the 9/11 Commission, and it says there was no tie between al Qaeda and Iraq.

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