Kiss me sister!

[Kidlicious]

Heraclitus,

Seriously now. Debate aside, really think about it. Do you think it's possible for a mentally well person to **** their sister?

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I've already said, it's not really an ethical dilemma. It's just a simple fact that something is wrong when people want to mess with their sister. Honestly I don't see how people can not see a problem there.

Ok I will try to abstract this.

A:Why is X wrong?
B: Why do would anyone want to X?
A: Yes I know, but there are people…
B: Yes, but for someone to want to do X, he must be mentally ill and should be treated.
A: Why would someone need to be mentally ill to want X?
B: Because it is not normal.
A: Yes, but why do we need to prosecute it just because it is not normal? I mean they aren’t hurting anyone.
B: They need to be treated because they must be mentally ill to want X.


Me: Is liberty dependant on which behavior can be altered and which not?
Me2: Is it not a waste of limited resources to prosecute them for this?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
But I am trying to imprint on you that society decides what is normal.

I don't disagree with that, but in this case I think that mentally well people will not sleep with their sisters.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Heraclitus,

Seriously now. Debate aside, really think about it. Do you think it's possible for a mentally well person to **** their sister?

What my personal beliefs are is irrelevant. What is relevant is that there is no evidence of such absolutes. Without evidence we can not determine scientific truth.


BTW On the side. No, for a normal human it is probably very unlikely. BUT, and I stress but. What is mental wellness? And further more is it not possible for mutations, or for even the extremes of natural variability to cover such extreme cases?

I mean cannibalism and human sacrifice is pretty ****ed up, but there were cultures that practiced it. Where all its members who practiced it ****ed up? Murder is pretty ****ed up, if so how can you persecute first degree murders? Buying shoes made by slave labor is pretty ****ed up… do you see where I am going?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
Me: Is liberty dependant on which behavior can be altered and which not?
Me2: Is it not a waste of limited resources to prosecute them for this?

I don't have any other opinion on the legality issue except that I don't think people need to have the freedom to marry their sisters.

[Heraclitus]

Just because something is written into our collective culture as wrong, does not mean that we are doing the most good by diverting our limited resources to correcting it. Is it not possible to do more good by persecuting/treating other evils? Sure it is evil not to address an evil. But is it in fact unethical not to pick the lesser evil?

Someone being sick enough to **** their sister would seem less evil than someone being sick enough to murder a fellow human being or **** a prepubescent child.

(I am using concepts such as good & evil to be a bit clearer)

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


No, you are a dumbass because Kid said something, and then you posted your entire post as if he said the exact opposite. And you have been doing this throughout this thread (as far as I can see in the last two pages).

JM

In fact I have never tired to do this, and am a bit offended that you said I do. Please read the thread.

Now if I did by accident do this I apologise to Kid.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I don't have any other opinion on the legality issue except that I don't think people need to have the freedom to marry their sisters.

Well I agree, unless they could both prove they are sterile, then I don’t have a problem with that.


Also you haven’t said anything about something else, the legality of such intercourse. You do know it is illegal. I am asking why is it. I think you shouldn’t go to jail for ****ing your sister.


Some penalty should exist for taking the risk of burdening others with children predisposed to severe genetic ailments, but that is it.

[Heraclitus]

Now, I’m off to read the thread to see If I indeed was such a dumbass as JM says.

[Heraclitus]

Ok, I think I can see why JM thinks I’m behaving like a dumbass. It is possible to misunderstand me as trying to twist Kids words to make them sound homophobic.

I just wanted a controversial example.

Now kid says we should treat them? Right? Now I disagree. Why?

I think we should only treat people who want help or who are incapable of making decisions for themselves or people who have proven to be extraordinary threats to their soundings.

[Heraclitus]

You see, I think a bit forward. My ethics and definitions of liberty must be universal if they are to be valid. Sooner or later advance technology will allow us to treat everything. And if we act on our impulses and change our biological underpinnings to fit our ideal of a human.


Now our ideal is determined by society. This is wrong. The Human species should determine what society is, not the other way around.

I mean you mentioned you are a Communist. Would it not send chills down your spine knowing that corporate leaders had the ability to alter the human being at a fundamental level manipulating their emotions, instincts and even the way their bodies worked?

Well I feel the same way about every interest group, even if that interest group is the vast majority of the public. I am always on the side of the minority. Since they have a right to exist as long as they do not harm others.


Or if retroviral genetic engineering and brainwashing was available during the 1930s, would we still have black people today? Or would have they have been made white? That is why in this time of accelerating technological progress we must embrace a pure philosophy of reason and liberty. To rid ourselves of our biases before our technology makes them real. For if it does we shall never have the capability to overcome bias again.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Cousin is another matter. Let's not go there.

Go ahead and tell us.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Wezil




Go ahead and tell us.

A 3rd cousin is hot

[Jon Miller]

There is almost no greater chance to have problems due to genetics when breeding with cousins. With 2nd cousins the probability to have genetic problems reaches the same level as the general populace.

Really it is only parents/siblings that is bad from a genetic point of view.

JM

[Jon Miller]

In western culture where you are only likely to see your cousins a few times in your lifetime, and your 2nd cousins maybe once, there should be no consideration of counsins as family as so no reason not to have sex with them.

The issue is that family and sex don't go together. This is what (should) keep fathers from having sex with their daughters, and siblings from having sex with eachother.

JM