Iran applauds life achievement of arch-terrorist

[Zevico]

Murder = illegal killing

Even before taking law I understood the difference between murder and manslaughter Gepap. They're two different crimes and they're used in two different ways. If I call someone a murderer I mean he intended to kill someone (or intended to hurt them really bad and ended up killing them).
Manslaughter is illegal killing too and it involves no question of intention to kill.
This difference is usually borne out in (a) moral censure and (b) sentencing, at least in the criminal law. In wartime though it's still accurate to distinguish between the two. Is there a practical difference to the relatives of the dead? Probably not. But if discussing moral culpability or legal culpability in the context of international law, there is one.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Zevico

Even before taking law I understood the difference between murder and manslaughter Gepap. They're two different crimes and they're used in two different ways. If I call someone a murderer I mean he intended to kill someone (or intended to hurt them really bad and ended up killing them).
Manslaughter is illegal killing too and it involves no question of intention to kill.

Manslaughter is a form of Homicide.

[Cyclotron]

Probably not murder, but certainly criminally negligent homicide.

[Zevico]

Homicide is killing another person. Past that it's not a crime in and of itself. It's just a word referring to the act of killing another person. Murder is homicide just as much as manslaughter. I fail to see your point. My point is that you are mixing up your definitions and should use clearer language in the future. It's like accusing a drunk driver who killed a pedestrian of murder; he's not a murderer, just a fool for drinking and driving. His acts caused that pedestrian's death, but he had no intention to cause death--only to drive. I'm not expert on Sharon's culpability or what he's done in the past. But if he thought these people weren't in their houses he cannot be labelled a murderer.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Zevico
Homicide is killing another person. Past that it's not a crime in and of itself. It's just a word referring to the act of killing another person. Murder is homicide just as much as manslaughter. I fail to see your point. My point is that you are mixing up your definitions and should use clearer language in the future. It's like accusing a drunk driver who killed a pedestrian of murder; he's not a murderer, just a fool for drinking and driving. His acts caused that pedestrian's death, but he had no intention to cause death--only to drive. I'm not expert on Sharon's culpability or what he's done in the past. But if he thought these people weren't in their houses he cannot be labelled a murderer.

Have you ever heard the term "manslaughterer"? I haven't. Probably because it doesn't exist. Why? Because when talking about someone who committed manslaughter, most people would simply use the term murderer.

And you are in law school right? So if someone kills someone during the commission of a serious crime, is that manslaughter or Murder? In most places, it constitutes murder.

His claim that he did not know remains morally repugnant. I am also done with this assenine tangent.

[Kuciwalker]

Have you ever heard the term "manslaughterer"? I haven't. Probably because it doesn't exist.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=manslaughterer seems to disagree with you.

[GePap]

Fine, it exists, my bad, whatever.

It is still a useless tangent based on a narrow legalistic view.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I'd be interested in seeing what people thought of WW2 bombing of cities. Was that terror attacks or just part of total war? I know where I stand and recently got called a bastard for saying that Palestinians support continued "war" against Israel because modern laws on warfare shield people from the reality of just how brutal war really is and should be. Maybe if war was like WW2 where whole populations were slaughtered each night then Palestinians wouldn't be so egar to turn down peace deals where they get 97% of their demands met.

These days conflicts aren't allowed to be settled with a certain finality that they used to be. They just continue to fester feeding multiple generations into the grinder. Of course the International Community is more humane than in the past.

Rich people are hesitant to kill as many poor people as was allowed in earlier times apparently. Not wanting to loose their purchasing potential perhaps.

[Sirotnikov]

Hey, Gepap, does it still burn bad?

[Sprayber]

As for the original post? Not much surprise really.


My only question is do the Iranian people have the same international aspirations as their leaders seem to grasp at or are they more concerned with Iranian matters?

[Patroklos]

Murder = illegal killing.

That sounds like it could be murder, but more accuratley manslaughter. Add intentional, THEN you get murder.

EDIT: Hmmmm, that seems a late dog pile.

As to Oeridn's question. No, it isn't murder. What people forget is that the Palestinians are not killing civilians in the course of pursueing military targets or any way shape or form. They are killing civilians to kill civilians.

At least the PKK manages to attack only military targets for the most part. And guess what Palestinians, they don't have nearly the bad boy image you do because of it.

[Sirotnikov]

My only question is do the Iranian people have the same international aspirations as their leaders seem to grasp at or are they more concerned with Iranian matters?

my impression is that most of them are much more concerned with Iranian matters.

This is also seen well in the elections.

[BeBMan]

Well, domestic stuff seems to play the major part in most elections....

[Sirotnikov]

that is in countries without outside perils

in countries that face outside threats you have security issues high on the agenda (though not the only issue). take for example israel, the us,

[GePap]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Hey, Gepap, does it still burn bad?

Not really, even Zevico is callign Arik a criminal.