Obama Is A Peanut Farm Away from Carter

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Cyclotron
So when a recession happens in Bush's term, it's "Clinton's Recession." When 9/11 happens in Bush's term, the responsibility for failing to prevent it is "100% Clinton" (despite clear evidence to the contrary). It's no wonder DanS thinks that Bush will be looked at positively in hindsight - everything bad that happened is readily explained away as Clinton's problem.

And you don't think that silly retroactive blame game will be a centerpiece of an Obama or Clinton administration? They and their supporters will play the Bush card everytime anything goes wrong and you damn well know it.

This isn't a Democrat or Republican problem, it's just inevitable Washington buck-passing spin that will never, ever change. Get used to it.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Darius871
And you don't think that silly retroactive blame game will be a centerpiece of an Obama or Clinton administration?

When did this become an election thread?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Cyclotron

When did this become an election thread?

Have you read the OP?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Cyclotron
When did this become an election thread?

I'm not saying anything about the election, just noting that your gripe is meaningless given that it's applicable to anyone and anything within reach of politics. To say otherwise is the height of hackery.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Have you read the OP?

I should have included a with that; by this time we were discussing Bush's legacy, not Obama or Carter.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Darius871


And you don't think that silly retroactive blame game will be a centerpiece of an Obama or Clinton administration? They and their supporters will play the Bush card everytime anything goes wrong and you damn well know it.

For one, you can't say what they will do.

The other is that these things clearly happened in Bush's term. Remember that DanS is arguing it is all Clinton's fault, which makes his argument rididculous.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Darius871


I'm not saying anything about the election, just noting that your gripe is meaningless given that it's applicable to anyone and anything within reach of politics. To say otherwise is the height of hackery.

You arguing against the wrong person. This should be directed toward DanS.

[Cyclotron]

The point is that DanS has no idea what he's talking about - he seems to think that people will judge Bush well because the average person will share his opinion that, apparently, everything bad that happened during the Bush administration is not only Clinton's fault, but in some cases "100%" Clinton's fault. If there's "hackery" in this thread, it's not in my posts.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by DaShi
For one, you can't say what they will do.

Originally posted by DaShi
The other is that these things clearly happened in Bush's term. Remember that DanS is arguing it is all Clinton's fault, which makes his argument rididculous.

The argument opposite to DanS' is no less ridiculous because this recession, like any other, is nobody's fault. If there were a magic button the government could press to make the economy good, then no politician of any ostensible ideology would refrain from pushing it and willingly alienate millions of voters. Cycles like this are hopelessly outside any president's control, but that won't stop both parties from taking credit or blaming each other whenever politically convenient.

The fact that otherwise rational people can take such trite talking points seriously makes me physically ill.

[DanS]

Originally posted by Darius871
And you don't think that silly retroactive blame game will be a centerpiece of an Obama or Clinton administration? They and their supporters will play the Bush card everytime anything goes wrong and you damn well know it.

This isn't worth your time, Darius. It's not these folks' fault that they weren't paying attention during Clinton's tenure.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Darius871
The argument opposite to DanS' is no less ridiculous because this recession, like any other, is nobody's fault.

But he's arguing that it's all Clinton's fault. Where's your admonition there? All Cyclotron has said is that these events occurred during Bush's term and may reflect negatively on his presidency because of that. He didn't say anything about who's fault it is. But you seem to have some grudge against him that defies logic and reason.

The fact that otherwise rational people can take such trite talking points seriously makes me physically ill.

But there's nothing rational about your arguments here. You're just out to attack someone, plain and simple.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by DanS


This isn't worth your time, Darius. It's not these folks' fault that they weren't paying attention during Clinton's tenure.

So Darius, anything to say about this?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by DaShi
But he's arguing that it's all Clinton's fault. Where's your admonition there?

I thought I'd implied it:

Originally posted by Darius871
The argument opposite to DanS' is no less ridiculous

Originally posted by DaShi
All Cyclotron has said is that these events occurred during Bush's term and may reflect negatively on his presidency because of that. He didn't say anything about who's fault it is. But you seem to have some grudge against him that defies logic and reason.

But there's nothing rational about your arguments here. You're just out to attack someone, plain and simple.

There's no grudge here, but the tone of his first post sure seemed to imply that there is blame and it's only being misplaced, which would just be a flipside to DanS' absurd coin. From C's later post I see the suggestion wasn't intended, so take my comments as nothing more than a general gripe at the people who do make DanS' same point but from the Dem side. There's no shortage of them in the media and even some on this board, so it's not a total straw man.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Darius871
There's no grudge here, but the tone of his first post sure seemed to imply that there is blame and it's only being misplaced, which would just be a flipside to DanS' absurd coin. From C's later post I see the suggestion wasn't intended, so take my comments as nothing more than a general gripe at the people who do make DanS' same point but from the Dem side. There's no shortage of them, even on this board.

Then I don't understand how the tone of his first post set you off, while a post containing the actual offense was ignored. Is it because DanS is supporting the Republican side?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by DaShi
Then I don't understand how the tone of his first post set you off, while a post containing the actual offense was ignored. Is it because DanS is supporting the Republican side?

No. I already said that DanS is equally boneheaded. The choice of target was just because the initiating side in this debate is merely boneheaded, whereas the responding side is typically not only boneheaded but inherently hypocritical to boot.

Since I admit that I misinterpreted what C meant to say, though, it's a moot point. I'm just having fun with my little straw man anyway.