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Originally posted by Heraclitus
I think European states should jump on this opportunity and start funding Imams that support this revised text and cutting any funding given to those who do not.
Id prefer Europe and the US stay out of it as much as humanly possible. If the West is associated in this at all, it will be used as an excuse to resist it. This has to be done by Muslims. We might provide lowkey support but we should generally keep our mouths shut about it.Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul TighComment
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I think there is a difference between various powers latching onto Luther after the fact, seeing an opportunity to decrease the power & influence of the Papacy and a top-down governmental reform effort.Originally posted by Heraclitus
Do you think Protestantism would have caught on without the support fo some states? There were a whol bunch of people who tried to reform the Chatolic church centuries before. Power determines theology in the long run.
Unless I'm mistaken, Luther wasn't put up to his stunt by a state actor (maybe I am mistaken. If so, enlighten me). There was clearly some popular support for the man's criticisms of Catholicism. I don't know the extent to which that is true of Islam today.
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Originally posted by Sprayber
Id prefer Europe and the US stay out of it as much as humanly possible. If the West is associated in this at all, it will be used as an excuse to resist it. This has to be done by Muslims. We might provide lowkey support but we should generally keep our mouths shut about it.
Absolutely. Western support ist he kiss of death for something like this.
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Read Persopolis if you have any concerns about thisOriginally posted by Arrian
Unless I'm mistaken, Luther wasn't put up to his stunt by a state actor (maybe I am mistaken. If so, enlighten me). There was clearly some popular support for the man's criticisms of Catholicism. I don't know the extent to which that is true of Islam today.
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There is certainly a significant degree of support for modernising Islam. Whether that support extends to people actually willing to vocally support it when their state suppresses such opinions is another question. Satrapi was willing to speak up, but she may well be in the minority.
A major Islamic state doing so may well be the beginning it needs - allowing dogma to be challenged on religious grounds, as opposed to purely practical grounds.<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
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Luther existed in an age before the Christian world had come to the general agreement that temporal power should reside in the hands of secular Princes, and not the Church. And Islam does not make the distinction between temporal and divine power in the same way as Christianity. After all, for centuries the Ottoman Sultan was also Caliph.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Anglicanism?Originally posted by Arrian
Can a government reform a religion, just like that? I dunno...
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So, why not Turkishlamism.The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame. Oscar Wilde.Comment
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Well, it appears my concerns may be baseless. Huzzah. We'll see...
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We'll get blamed anyway by those who'd seek support from such actions. Better to support it and keep it alive than die an ignoble death.Originally posted by Sprayber
Id prefer Europe and the US stay out of it as much as humanly possible. If the West is associated in this at all, it will be used as an excuse to resist it. This has to be done by Muslims. We might provide lowkey support but we should generally keep our mouths shut about it.I'm consitently stupid- Japher
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