Turkish Reformation. This could get interesting...

[Barnabas]

[Dr Strangelove]

Shall we expect an Islamic Thirty Years War?

I thought the Hadith was a collection of writings from a variety of Islamic authorities collected over the years after Mohammed's death? Am I thinking of something else?

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Arrian
Can a government reform a religion, just like that? I dunno...


-Arrian

Do you think Protestantism would have caught on without the support fo some states? There were a whol bunch of people who tried to reform the Chatolic church centuries before. Power determines theology in the long run.

[Heraclitus]

I think European states should jump on this opportunity and start funding Imams that support this revised text and cutting any funding given to those who do not.

[Elok]

Yep, the Muslim world's sure to react positively when an avowedly secular state that frowns on the burqa tells them that they have their religion all wrong. I'd say more, but I have to hurry and read my Jefferson Bible.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Shall we expect an Islamic Thirty Years War?

I thought the Hadith was a collection of writings from a variety of Islamic authorities collected over the years after Mohammed's death? Am I thinking of something else?

IIRC Hadish means "tradition" in Arabic. The core of it is the supposed words and actions of the prophet but there's some other stuff thrown in as well. There a lot of different sets of Hadiths and some are more obviously apocraphal than others.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Elok
Yep, the Muslim world's sure to react positively when an avowedly secular state that frowns on the burqa tells them that they have their religion all wrong. I'd say more, but I have to hurry and read my Jefferson Bible.

I wouldn´t see the muslim world as homogenous.
I believe the first that are ready to accept the revised Hadiths might be muslims living in european countries (and therefore are exposed to western mpral values, that give women the same worth as men).

Might take some time till it reachs the hearts and the minds of more fundamentalist muslims and might as well finally lead to a schism in the muslim world, either peaceful, or, like strangelove already said, maybe with something resembling the 30years war.

[VetLegion]

So if, say, France inaugurated an anti-Pope in order to fix some things broken with Catholicism, like the ban on women serving as priests and/or the ban on priests marrying or something along those lines, and lots of muslim countries supported France, what would the chances of that reforming Catholicism be?

[Kuciwalker]

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by VetLegion
So if, say, France inaugurated an anti-Pope in order to fix some things broken with Catholicism, like the ban on women serving as priests and/or the ban on priests marrying or something along those lines, and lots of muslim countries supported France, what would the chances of that reforming Catholicism be?

It would create another kind of Christianity and France would adopt it most likley, I mean Anglicanism came to be because a king wanted a divorce.


At any rate fragmentation of Christianity would be good for Muslims.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by VetLegion
So if, say, France inaugurated an anti-Pope in order to fix some things broken with Catholicism, like the ban on women serving as priests and/or the ban on priests marrying or something along those lines, and lots of muslim countries supported France, what would the chances of that reforming Catholicism be?

Dunno,
maybe the best way would make it better than Jean Colin,
who founded the Church of the Magnificat and declared himself Pope in 1950.
According to Wikipedia the Church of the Magnificat also underwent a Shism upon Colins death and are now solit in several small groups in France and Canada, with one Pope in France as successor to Jean.

Maybe his church as well as the other churches that were founded by modern Antipopes (like the Palmarian Catholic Church, founded 1978 by Antipope Gregory XVII in Spain) just lack a logical structured Dogma and a good PR to be really successful and gain lots of followers

[-Jrabbit]

This is much like the drowning of 100 lawyers.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by VetLegion
So if, say, France inaugurated an anti-Pope in order to fix some things broken with Catholicism, like the ban on women serving as priests and/or the ban on priests marrying or something along those lines, and lots of muslim countries supported France, what would the chances of that reforming Catholicism be?

They tried that. The anti-Pope ended up being executed.

[Kuciwalker]

Whoosh?

[DinoDoc]

Robespierre wished it had gone over his head.