What's wrong with watching child porn?

[Ramo]

Which is why, as I wrote in my first post, you punish production and incentivizing production (i.e. buying, selling, ad revenues, etc.).

[notyoueither]

And is why, as I wrote in my post, you punish any perv who has anything to do with it.

Being the viewer is 'incentivizing production'.

[Ramo]

Absent monetary transfers, how?

[Ramo]

Are you saying that it's too difficult to get them on production, so you want to use possession as a proxy? I don't see any justification for that unless you can show me evidence for a near one to one correspondence...

[notyoueither]

Validation. Acceptance within a group.

Lots of things are done for other than monetary purposes.

[Ramo]

As I was saying, I don't know if getting widespread attention is something that child porn producers have particular interest in (due to both legal and social ramifications).

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ramo
Are you saying that it's too difficult to get them on production, so you want to use possession as a proxy? I don't see any justification for that unless you can show me evidence for a near one to one correspondence...

I'm saying that being part of the audience is little better than being a producer.

It's not like this stuff is being widely circulated commercially.

There is an underground viewership for it. Being part of the underground is enough to warrant prosecution in my opinion.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ramo
As I was saying, I don't know if getting widespread attention is something that child porn producers have particular interest in (due to both legal and social ramifications).

They do within their network. That is how we get busts from time to time of groups of 10 to 100 people internationally who create and share this stuff.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Ramo
I don't know what you're trying to say. There are things like fame, but that has considerable downsides wrt child porn...



Functional illiteracy/failure to understand remedial logic is not something you necessarily have to meekly accept. There are classes to address this sort of thing...

Follow your own advice.

[Ramo]

Congrats, you're the first person to make it on my ignore list. For future reference, calling people pedophiles just because you're an idiot is bad form...

They do within their network. That is how we get busts from time to time of groups of 10 to 100 people internationally who create and share this stuff.

That still seems awfully weak to me. There are going to be people who like this sort of stuff in any case, regardless of how many "validators" we take down. It makes a lot more sense to use instances possession as a way to nab the producers, if the communities tend to be that tight-knit. And if there's foreknowledge involved, there are conspiracy charges that can be brought up.

[notyoueither]

It is illegal to possess stolen property.

Why?

You didn't steal it.

[Ramo]

Because the person who had the property stolen has a stronger claim to it...

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Darius871
Even though viewers don't produce it, by creating a market for it they're at the very least increasing the total amount produced.

[dannubis]

To answer the OP: because you need children to make it ?

[Pekka]

Well, I view this issue from the POV of the market. By increasing the demand, it puts more kids into danger. You could make the same argument about weed but it's not 1:1. If I grow my own pot, I'm not increasing the demand at all, because I can get the equipment and everything from totally legal businesses. Or if my friend grows the stuff, we're not contributing to the organized crime scheme that produces victims along the way and violence as well.

So we can be totally separated from that chain of criminal activity. Also, smoking weed isn't actually hurting anyone. Sure, criminals would get money if it was purchased from them, but no kids were molested during the process, they just got money. It's just a business, whereas these child porno things, the actual object is the kid, not the money per se. I don't see any self respecting criminals doing it, that's why they have rings and that's why they call them porn rings. They're growing their own porn OR they're buying it from others. So in that sense, having that stuff on you is a good indicator of driving the demand up.

If these images were digitally produced or drawn, I don't see a huge problem in it. Remind you, these are considered the same material in many countries. But I don't see the victim there, no direct victim, unless the person then goes and acts upon that stuff, but I don't think tons of people will turn into pedophiles because they see a naked kid or porn. So if a person would purely fantasize about that, I mean don't get me wrong, I would consider that extremely abnormal, but if they otherwise do not contribute in any way to the porn rings or the market, I don't see a huge problem in it. Then again, fantasies have aren't illegal. Those images are illegal, and I support them being illegal.

It's like a product that has been produced in very unethical ways. I guess many are, but in the extreme spectrum of that scale. Say it was done with slavery force, chains and stuff, beatings, violence. It would be unethical IMO to buy that product, but then again even that's not the case here. BEcause the actual object of that product IS the suffering of those people. So it's not even the handbag or shoe, where you choose to ignore what people went through so you can get it cheap, it's that the actual product is the suffering of those people and there's no handbag left, not even thatmuch is left. So yeah. And I'd even consider banning products that are made in very unethical ways, they drive the prices down, sure, but what's the price of that? We can't just create and support market places that are manipulated using slave forces and the suffering of others, just so we can buy it cheap. ****, if you can't afford it, dont' buy it. Or get a better job.