Ralph Nader joins US presidential race

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Stupidity? They surely can't claim ignorance after the first four years.

7 years without a terror attack
Obliterating two terrorist countries with a volunteer army
Tax cuts

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Stupidity? They surely can't claim ignorance after the first four years.

Probably the same people who voted for Reagan and Clinton.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


7 years without a terror attack

What? There have been tons of terror attacks since 9/11.

Obliterating two terrorist countries with a volunteer army

At the cost of how many civilians and US soldiers?

Tax cuts

For the rich.

[Wiglaf]

What? There have been tons of terror attacks since 9/11.

Intentionally dense statements

At the cost of how many civilians and US soldiers?

Civilians are mostly killed by other Iraqis, which we can hardly be blamed for

For the rich.

Rewarding the poor

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


Intentionally dense statements

Intentionally evasion statements.

Civilians are mostly killed by other Iraqis, which we can hardly be blamed for

Not all of them.

Rewarding the poor

Rewarding the rich?

[Wiglaf]

Yes, in your world we are responsible for the fanatics killing each other in Iraq. We have not done anything worthwhile to limit the effectiveness of Al Qaeda, despite destroying its central hideout in the Taliban. And poor people who flip burritos should get more of a tax break than useful members of society.

Go do pro bono work for a failed suicide bomber, I am out of time for this liberal hippy nonsense.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Yes, in your world we are responsible for the fanatics killing each other in Iraq.

We certainly made it easier for them. But that's not what I said.

We have not done anything worthwhile to limit the effectiveness of Al Qaeda, despite destroying its central hideout in the Taliban.

Hard to tell since the rise in terror attacks worldwide after 9/11.

And poor people who flip burritos should get more of a tax break than useful members of society.

Poor people who flip burritos provide food for others. Poor janitors clean up. Poor cops fight crime. Poor teachers educate the next generation. That poor people don't contribute is crap. What did Paris Hilton contribute to society?

Go do pro bono work for a failed suicide bomber, I am out of time for this liberal hippy nonsense.

Go rape an underage boy, I'm out of time for this conservative scumbag nonsense.

[Wiglaf]

Hard to tell since the rise in terror attacks worldwide after 9/11.

Has nothing to do with the safety of America, which was what Oerdin was whining about.

Poor people who flip burritos provide food for others. Poor janitors clean up. Poor cops fight crime. Poor teachers educate the next generation. That poor people don't contribute is crap. What did Paris Hilton contribute to society?

Paris Hilton's ancestors created a wonderful hotel chain that employs hundreds of thousands of workers and provides millions of people a comfy place to sleep where otherwise they would be on the street. Phillipe at the pasta cafeteria could, and will, be replaced by a robot in five years. As will an awful lot of high school teachers and janitors due to the Roomba.

We certainly made it easier for them. But that's not what I said.

I think we exposed their true nature, yes, and it is only hurting themselves. Oh well.

Go rape an underage boy, I'm out of time for this conservative scumbag nonsense.

Catholic priests who rape underage boys are not generally republicans, by the way. They are gay and therefore probably swing liberal more often than not.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


Has nothing to do with the safety of America, which was what Oerdin was whining about.

I can't help it, if you make inaccurate blanket statements. Don't get mad at me for your follies.

Paris Hilton's ancestors created a wonderful hotel chain that employs hundreds of thousands of workers and provides millions of people a comfy place to sleep where otherwise they would be on the street.

Who cares? I asked what she has done. And those hotels would be worthless without all those workers.

Phillipe at the pasta cafeteria could, and will, be replaced by a robot in five years. As will an awful lot of high school teachers and janitors due to the Roomba.

Then they'll just have to get another job to contribute to society. The point is that they are contributing and deserve something for it.

I think we exposed their true nature, yes, and it is only hurting themselves. Oh well.

What the **** did we think their nature was before?

Catholic priests who rape underage boys are not generally republicans, by the way.

But senators who rape underage boys are. . .or at least those who want to rape underage boys.

[Wiglaf]

But senators who rape underage boys are. . .or at least those who want to rape underage boys.

Referring to Barney Frank? Or who?

Bush's tax breaks benefited everyone. If you want a welfare state then you do not want progress. Then again, progress to you is insecure borders, terrorists running amok, planning attacks on US soil without us having the tools to detect them, no priests, and fat pasta chefs rewarded more than the families of hotel founders. Perhaps you should move to Italy, where nothing happens except tours of the Coliseum. Sissies had no place in Rome, now there is a country that would not bother democratizing a camel's ass

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Bush's tax breaks benefited everyone.

How so?

If you want a welfare state then you do not want progress. Then again, progress to you is insecure borders, terrorists running amok, planning attacks on US soil without us having the tools to detect them, no priests, and fat pasta chefs rewarded more than the families of hotel founders. Perhaps you should move to Italy, where nothing happens except tours of the Coliseum. Sissies had no place in Rome

Is this directed at me? Because none of this is related to what I said? Or are you making up a new debate because you just lost the last one?

[Wiglaf]

Between 2001 and 2003, the Bush administration instituted a federal tax cut for all taxpayers. Among other changes, the lowest income tax rate was lowered from 15% to 10%, the 27% rate went to 25%, the 30% rate went to 28%, the 35% rate went to 33%, and the top marginal tax rate went from 39.6% to 35%[21]. In addition, the child tax credit went from $500 to $1000, and the "marriage penalty" was reduced.

And I already told you, burger flippers should not be rewarded. They contribute, but only because they have to to eat. We are not at risk of losing them, but losing innovators is a risk.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
And I already told you, burger flippers should not be rewarded. They contribute, but only because they have to to eat. We are not at risk of losing them, but losing innovators is a risk.

And I already told you that not all poor people are burger flippers. They fill a necessary role in society, and many of them work so that their children can afford better education to become innovators. By rewarding them, we can pull more innovators out of their population. Paris Hilton and her ilk are certainly not innovators.

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by DaShi


And I already told you that not all poor people are burger flippers. They fill a necessary role in society, and many of them work so that their children can afford better education to become innovators. By rewarding them, we can pull more innovators out of their population. Paris Hilton and her ilk are certainly not innovators.

The wealthy have a right to do what they want with their money, and this includes Hilton's successful ancestors Money begins to lose value when you are forced to channel it to poor low lifes and Pedro's lemonade stand.

I don't see why you should reward the low classes, they are only doing the bare minimum to survive. If anything they need a swift kick in the ass to start doing useful things, not a pat on the back.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


The wealthy have a right to do what they want with their money, and this includes Hilton's successful ancestors Money begins to lose value when you are forced to channel it to poor low lifes and Pedro's lemonade stand.

Who's lemonade stands grow to become megacorporations. I thought you were in favor of a market economy? The Hilton's do do what they want with their money. They don't need more just for being rich bastards. They no longer contribute to society.

I don't see why you should reward the low classes, they are only doing the bare minimum to survive. If anything they need a swift kick in the ass to start doing useful things, not a pat on the back.

Well, maybe we need a system that rewards those who are trying to be innovators or to create new innovators. What you're arguing is to deny them rewards just because they are poor regardless of their accomplishments and efforts.