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    Ralph Nader joins US presidential race

    Independent candidate Ralph Nader has announced that he is entering the US presidential race, a move which many Democrats fear could deprive their party of vital votes.

    Mr Nader was accused by supporters of Al Gore of handing the 2000 election to George W Bush by attracting voters who would otherwise have backed their candidate.

    Mr Nader's run could prove a blow to the Democrats

    The consumer rights activist announced on NBC television's Meet the Press that he was launching a third-party campaign for the White House because voters were disenchanted with the Democratic and Republican parties.

    The 73-year-old believes none of the presidential contenders are addressing ways to stem corporate crime and Pentagon waste and promote labour rights.
    Emerging Democratic frontrunner Barack Obama's "better instincts and his knowledge have been censored by himself," Mr Nader said, while Republican heir apparent John McCain was "the candidate for perpetual war."
    He called Washington "corporate occupied territory" that turns the government against the interest of its own people.
    "In that context I have decided to run for president," Mr Nader said.
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    Mr Nader's run could prove a a further blow to the Democrats' campaign after a bitter fight between Mr Obama and Hillary Clinton. In contrast, John McCain has had a virtually clear run to the Republican nomination.
    In 2000, in the tightest presidential race in American history, Mr Nader ruthlessly targeted the liberal activist wing of the Democratic Party, picking up votes from disillusioned environmentalists, opponents of globalisation and radical feminists.
    In all, Mr Nader gained 2.78 million votes in a contest that was eventually won by a margin of 537 votes.

    In Florida, where a controversial recount gripped the attention of the world, 97,488 votes were punched in his favour.
    The trauma of Mr Gore's defeat in 2000 led to the creation of a "Repentant Nader voter" website, on which disconsolate Democrats confessed to voting for a candidate who had no chance of winning.
    While Democrats have never forgiven him for splitting the liberal vote, Mr Nader refused to accept that his candidacy may have handed the presidency to George W Bush.

    And.. we have a winner?

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      Ralph Nader joins US presidential race


      Excellent, most excellent..

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      • #4
        I wish he'd just **** off and die already. Still, I'd rather vote for him then Hillary. Hell, I'd vote for just about anyone before Hillary.
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        • #5
          He's an ass.
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          • #6
            Wait wait, that is just lifted from the Onion, correct?

            Nader just has to be a GOP agent, there's no other way to explain it...
            Unbelievable!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Darius871
              Wait wait, that is just lifted from the Onion, correct?

              Nader just has to be a GOP agent, there's no other way to explain it...
              The GOP and the Democratic Party are pretty much the same animal so why would have be an agent of one of them. He's running against both of them. Read: he's not a dem.
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              • #8
                I don't see why the Dems blame Nader for anything. He's running because he doesn't like either candidate. If people support him over the Dems, that's the Dems' problem... they don't automatically get the vote of every left-of-center voter just by saying it is so

                The Libertarians nearly always put out a candidate, and they're in the same position vs the Republicans as Nader is to the Dems. Yet the Repubs don't whine about it...
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                • #9
                  Well, the reps didn't lose a race because people voted for Nader on the false assumption that there was no difference between Bush and Gore.

                  Really, though, the problem with Nader is that he is in his own, insulated world, oblivious to the changes in the Democratic party. In 2000, the Democratic party was a party of establishment, run from the top down. His organizing work in the 70s and the 80s lead him to distrust that tendency among Democrats. But, what we have now is a better party. A fundamental difference between Clinton and Obama is that the latter has built an organization on the backs of grassroots efforts, successfully, while the former has tried to run the same Democratic campaign that we lose on each election. And, for once, this time its leading her to defeat in the primary. And, frankly, Democrats today are moving towards a confidence in their positions that didn't exist even 4 years ago.

                  So, while Nader can do as he like, and few people will vote for him who would otherwise vote for a Democrat, he should take stock of the changed political landscape, and go do something that isn't pointless.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Admiral
                    So, while Nader can do as he like, and few people will vote for him who would otherwise vote for a Democrat, he should take stock of the changed political landscape, and go do something that isn't pointless.
                    I don't think it's pointless at all. You don't have to win the presidency to be a leader. It's nice if you have a leader in the presidency, but if you don't you have to do with what you have. Hillary is definitely the old status quo (pro-corporation, pro-special interests). And I think that Nader would take more votes from her than Obama, so I think Obama looks good with Nader running. And this is one more reason not to vote for Clinton.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Admiral
                      Well, the reps didn't lose a race because people voted for Nader on the false assumption that there was no difference between Bush and Gore.
                      Gore lost because fewer people voted for him than Bush in enough states such that he won fewer electoral votes than Bush.

                      The fact that some people might have chosen him over Bush but chose Nader over him does not mean that Nader should not have run, except from the point of view of Gore. If Gore wanted to win, he needed to convince the Nader supporters to vote for him. He didn't, and lost.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by snoopy369
                        Gore lost because fewer people voted for him than Bush in enough states such that he won fewer electoral votes than Bush.
                        Er, the Supreme Court is not a state, snoopy369.
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                        • #13
                          Gore lost because...

                          "On January 6, 2001, a joint-session of Congress met to certify the electoral vote. Twenty members of the House of Representatives, most of them Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus, rose one-by-one to file objections to the electoral votes of Florida. However, according to an 1877 law, any such objection had to be sponsored by both a representative and a senator. No senator would co-sponsor these objections, deferring to the Supreme Court's ruling. Therefore, Gore, who was presiding in his capacity as President of the Senate, ruled each of these objections out of order."

                          ... he's a jackass.
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                          • #14
                            Nader

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                            • #15
                              I think they've got it backwards. Nader sensed that, in potentially pitting an untried junior senator against a veteran politician/war hero, the Dems are en route to losing yet another race that should have been unloseable. So, to spare them the existential shock, he's generously inserting himself in the race as a scapegoat. They'll have him and his five supporters in Vermont and California to blame for costing them the White House.
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