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    OTTAWA - The stage is set for a showdown - and possibly an election - over Canada's combat mission in Afghanistan.

    The minority Conservative government has turned up the heat, announcing it will introduce a motion by Friday on extending the mission, with a vote on the matter in late March.

    The move appears designed to ensure one of two outcomes this spring: parliamentary approval to extend the mission indefinitely, or a federal election on the issue.

    But Liberal Leader Stephane Dion isn't budging on his position that the combat component of the mission must end on schedule next February, with Canadian troops remaining in Afghanistan to help with reconstruction and training of Afghan security forces.

    He emerged from a caucus meeting Wednesday saying he's not afraid of an election and it's up to Prime Minister Stephen Harper to compromise.

    "I'm never afraid of anything," Dion said when asked if he's prepared to trigger an election over the issue.


    Dion said the Liberals will offer amendments to the government motion, to bring it in line with the Grit position.

    "We'll do our best to convince the other colleagues in the House to come to our position," he said. "We don't want the extension of the combat mission after February 2009. . . . The timeline must be respected."

    Dion conceded it's unlikely that Harper will agree to a strictly non-combat role after next February: "On that we have a big difference."

    The NDP and the Bloc Quebecois have said flatly that they will vote against any extension of the mission.

    Dion, briefed in a short meeting with Harper on Tuesday, said the prime minister told him he doesn't want a vote on the motion until after the budget and that it will be a matter of confidence.

    A spokeswoman for Harper said the government has not yet declared it a confidence vote but hinted that could change.

    Carolyn Stewart Olsen emphasized that the prime minister has called the Afghan issue a matter of grave importance.

    "We expect debate to begin next week," she said. "We have time and are willing to be patient while the Liberals sort out their position."

    Olsen said the motion will be based on recommendations of the panel headed by former Liberal cabinet minister John Manley.

    Manley called for an extension of the mission beyond February 2009 - but only if Canada gets 1,000 NATO reinforcements and secures helicopters for its troops.

    But one opposition source characterized the wording of the motion as "Manley-minus" - meaning that it will not mention some of the other recommendations made by the Manley panel on humanitarian aid, diplomacy, and more open communications by the federal government.

    The Manley panel said Dion's insistence on a strictly non-combat role after next February is not viable. It argued that providing security for reconstruction and training of Afghan forces would inevitably involve Canadian soldiers in combat.

    The Conservatives appear to hope that the Manley report will compel Dion to drop his insistence on a non-combat role. But Dion has so far only clarified his position, not changed it.

    "You need to be prepared to fight but the combat role is when you are proactively seeking the engagement with the enemy. It's something I have said that we will interrupt in February 2009."




    Depending how the issue is ultimately framed this could be an interesting showdown.
    "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
    "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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    Is it too late to blame the majority of NATO for bringing your (Canada's) frustration level to this point?
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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    • #3
      Politicians will bellow for the benefit of the cameras but when push comes to shove, nothing will happen.
      If at first you don't succeed, take the bloody hint and give up.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by embalmer42
        Politicians will bellow for the benefit of the cameras but when push comes to shove, nothing will happen.
        This time it's real. Dion can't abstain from Parliament forever.
        In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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        • #5
          The longer he abstains til a Liberal is born with a backbone, personality, and sensible stances on issues...the better.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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          • #6
            If I were a federalist, I'd take Dion over Harper anytime.
            In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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            • #7
              Call me old fashioned, but I prefer leaders that could go into a jr. high debate class and not finish in last place.

              Dion is just untenable as a leader. Fumbling idiot.

              The Liberals better find someone electable, and fast.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #8
                It'll never happen, but the Liberals need to get DESTROYED ala the Progressive Conservatives under Jean Charest. Then they can rebuild and lose all the nasty taint from Chretien and Martin.

                Asher is 100% right about Dion.
                Resident Filipina Lady Boy Expert.

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                • #9
                  I can understand your points, but I think the real issue here is that his English sucks. He can definitely sound smart when he talks in French...
                  In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ninot
                    It'll never happen, but the Liberals need to get DESTROYED ala the Progressive Conservatives under Jean Charest. Then they can rebuild and lose all the nasty taint from Chretien and Martin.

                    Asher is 100% right about Dion.

                    That is the thinking in some quarters. If you are Iggy the quickest way to take leadership of the party is for Dion to get trounced in a general election as it is unlikely Dion will step aside any other way.

                    Boris - That may be (good french) but it won't win him a general election. His english is awful. We can't vote for someone we can't understand.
                    "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                    "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc
                      Is it too late to blame the majority of NATO for bringing your (Canada's) frustration level to this point?
                      It's an issue for some but NATO's failure isn't the main focus of the debate here.
                      "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                      "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Wezil



                        His english is awful. We can't vote for someone we can't understand.
                        It worked three times for Chretien
                        If at first you don't succeed, take the bloody hint and give up.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by embalmer42


                          It worked three times for Chretien
                          But failed miserably for Preston Manning.
                          "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                          "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                          • #14
                            The Tories are trying their best for an election.

                            OTTAWA - The Conservative government stepped up its browbeating campaign against the Senate and the Liberals on Thursday, introducing a motion that threatens to force an election over its anti-crime bill.

                            The motion calls on the House of Commons to direct the Liberal-dominated Senate to pass the omnibus bill by March 1 or face an election. A vote on the motion could be held as early as Monday.

                            Liberal senators have bristled at the deadline, saying they have a constitutional duty to study the proposed legislation for as long as it takes.

                            The move appears to be the latest Tory effort to step up election pressure while casting their main foes as soft on crime.

                            It comes amid speculation the Liberals might bring down the minority government over the coming federal budget or the Afghanistan combat mission - both of which are less attractive campaign issues for the Tories than a law-and-order focus.

                            The crime act deals with issues such as violent and gun crimes, dangerous offenders and raising the age of sexual consent to 16 from 14. MPs passed the legislation in the House of Commons on Nov. 28 before a lengthy Christmas break that ended Jan. 28.


                            "It has been studied to death," Conservative House Leader Peter Van Loan said of the content in five bills comprising the Tackling Violent Crime Act.

                            "Canadians will no longer accept Liberal Senate backdoor delay and obstruction of real action to tackle crime."

                            But Liberal Senate Leader Celine Hervieux-Payette pointed out that the Senate committee studying the bill has agreed to extend its hours and sit through a planned break in mid-February.

                            Opposition politicians also note that four of the five bills reintroduced last fall were on track to pass last spring - until the Conservatives opted to cut the parliamentary session short and begin a fresh one.

                            Van Loan dodged those questions and how forcing an early election, once again derailing legislation, would help the suddenly urgent bills pass any faster.


                            The Tories let months pass after the introduction of the crime bills in their original form, Liberal Senator Sharon Carstairs noted.

                            She referred to the latest Tory tactics as another example of strategic "bullying."

                            The backdrop to the apparent Conservative zest for an early vote is the prospect of worsening economic conditions in Canada as the U.S. flirts with recession.


                            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Wezil


                              But failed miserably for Preston Manning.
                              If you're comparing the speech (not the substance) of Chretein and Manning then you should be thanking your dealer for getting you some primo grade stuff
                              If at first you don't succeed, take the bloody hint and give up.

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