chegitz=capitalist scum

[Kuciwalker]

Why are you trying to reason with him? By this point, I have to question your intelligence if you think Kid is capable of being swayed by reason.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Dude, you didn't expect that answer from Kid? It's not obvious to you yet that Kid's entire philosophy is "I am good; anything that immediately deprives me of money is bad; anyone who has more than I do is bad", with no thought whatsoever about the actual system.

What a bunch of BS? Figures you would think that. I don't really care about money or if someone has more than me. I actually like my boss(es) who own the company I work for and actually make much more money than I do. Because my boss is good to me. I've had other bosses who didn't have as much but took advantage of me.

I believe in justice. You just don't want to believe that. So I don't care what you think. You are wrong about plenty of things, so it doesn't bother me.

[Dinner]

Soviet revolutionaries sure felt soldiers were part of the Proletariat.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Dude, you didn't expect that answer from Kid? It's not obvious to you yet that Kid's entire philosophy is "I am good; anything that immediately deprives me of money is bad; anyone who has more than I do is bad", with no thought whatsoever about the actual system?

I actually find kid so inconsistent that I never know which direction he will go in. MOst of the other self-declared commies on here have a more reasoned and rationale approach. Even where I do not agree with them, I can usually see how their conclusions can follow from the assumptions they are making

Originally posted by Kuciwalker




Kid isn't a commie. Kid has no coherent ideology about how the system should work; he's not intelligent enough to even understand that there is a system, and changing one part of it can have far-reaching consequences. Kid just latched onto the idea that "communism means I get more stuff and bad people get less stuff".

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber
I thought "ownership of the means of production" WAS your criteria for being a capitalist?

After all the cap/com debates you still don't know that it's about exploitation?

Instead it seem you are using some sort of ill-defined test of a person's support for or opposition to an existing capitalist economy???

That's because it doesn't matter who the capitalists are only that the system is capitalists. You are making an issue about nothing.

I'm just trying to understand. If a person works for a wage are they somehow disqualified for the exalted status of "worker" if

1. their employer gives them company shares
2. they make too much money
3. they work in an industry you don't like ( ie military lifers or oilmen)
4. they like their job
5. They question the half-formed idea of a utopian society you present in semi-coherent form on this board

That's just stupid bud. You know I don't believe in utopia. Why do you start like this?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I've got a gut feeling about you.

Thats fine and it may be correct -- it may be incorrect. IT has to be based on incomplete information though since all you know is "Flubber" and the things I choose to talk about here.

But its not about me as an individual. You exclude thousands and thousands of sioldiers and thousands more "oil people" from those you consider to be workers. Since most of these people are employed for a wage and since some of them may even share some commie beliefs, I wondered why you would dismiss them out of hand?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber


I actually find kid so inconsistent that I never know which direction he will go in. MOst of the other self-declared commies on here have a more reasoned and rationale approach. Even where I do not agree with them, I can usually see how their conclusions can follow from the assumptions they are making

You kid trying to peg me into someone who believes things I don't believe. It's no wonder you think I'm inconsistent. Seriously, have you no shame whatsoever?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber
Thats fine and it may be correct -- it may be incorrect. IT has to be based on incomplete information though since all you know is "Flubber" and the things I choose to talk about here.

And I said Flubber is a capitalist. I don't know the real you, so I have no opinion. Maybe you just troll all the time.

But its not about me as an individual. You exclude thousands and thousands of sioldiers and thousands more "oil people" from those you consider to be workers. Since most of these people are employed for a wage and since some of them may even share some commie beliefs, I wondered why you would dismiss them out of hand?

I'm not putting up with this BS anymore. When have I? To what end?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious




That's just stupid bud. You know I don't believe in utopia. Why do you start like this?

Well bud.

Name it as you will-- I am simply referring to the society you wish to see formed "after the revolution". Call it "Fantasyland" if you wish. You knew what I meant

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious



I'm not putting up with this BS anymore. When have I? To what end?

I asked if there was a criteria for being a "worker"?-- You often speak of "us' and "them" so I wondered if you had any means of distinguishing

I actually expected to hear something about the exploited and the the exploiters based on ownership of means of production. BUt instead you named certain industries. This surprised me-- but you did say it

Was it just a joke??

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious

And I said Flubber is a capitalist. I don't know the real you, so I have no opinion. Maybe you just troll all the time.

Actually all you said was that 'you had a gut feeling about me" but I knew what you meant.

BUt even that may not be accurate. I doubt that I would fit many of the beliefs that you might place on a capitalist. For example, I am not a believer in leaving everything to the market. Beliefs are much more nuanced than can be expressed in a single label as is obvious by the range of "communist" and "capitalist" opinions we see on something as limited as thses boards

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


You kid trying to peg me into someone who believes things I don't believe.

Name one-- Serious question-- Show me a real thing I have said you believe that you do not

Originally posted by Kidicious

Seriously, have you no shame whatsoever?

I have some but none for anything I have said on this board.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber


Well bud.

Name it as you will-- I am simply referring to the society you wish to see formed "after the revolution". Call it "Fantasyland" if you wish. You knew what I meant

Over and over I have specifically stated that I do not believe in utopia on this board. Yes, I know exactly what you meant and what kind of crap you pull.

I'm opposed to people like you having control over society. I've made that very clear.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber


I asked if there was a criteria for being a "worker"?-- You often speak of "us' and "them" so I wondered if you had any means of distinguishing

I actually expected to hear something about the exploited and the the exploiters based on ownership of means of production. BUt instead you named certain industries. This surprised me-- but you did say it

Was it just a joke??

No. It's not joke. It's no coincidence that you work for Big Oil, and we aren't talking about just a worker. You are a part of the planning of the organization aren't you?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Over and over I have specifically stated that I do not believe in utopia on this board. Yes, I know exactly what you meant and what kind of crap you pull.

No crap-- simply referring to your preferred societ "after"-- AS I said call it whatever you want-- I only uusded the term in a side comment wondering if you label people just because they oppose or even question your particular vision of society

Originally posted by Kidicious

I'm opposed to people like you having control over society. I've made that very clear.

1. I have no more control than any other voter
2. Who exactly are people 'like me"? You throw out comments like that all the time. Who exactly do you mean. Please be specific for a change