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  • #46
    You are clearly not familiar with my annoyingly evasive posting style.
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    "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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    • #47
      That style seems rather stupid.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by BlackCat
        Nope, that only makes you human.
        See, that's kinda my view, too. But that brings up the main point: where do you draw the line? Is it all or nothing? Like, you have to do everything the bible and the church says, or else you are not a Christian? In that case, I can honestly say I don't know a single Christian. Otherwise, what is the minimum set of things you have to do to be considered a Christian? Clearly, simply designating yourself so is not enough.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by FrostyBoy
          Calling yourself Catholic doesn't really make it better.
          I take offense at that.

          Free-thinker here.
          So you believe.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by FrostyBoy
            Calling yourself Catholic doesn't really make it better.

            Free-thinker here. What Bhudda believed was not a religion, it was a theory, but as it goes, humans who followed the theory, turned it into an idol-worshipping religion, nonsense included.
            Quite true, and unfortunate, there are some Buddhist schools where the monks are allowed to marry and have kids! .
            But there are Buddhists schools which remain true to the core of Buddhism (ie the four noble truths).

            Nothing other than Theravada Buddhism (the oldest and most true to Buddha) has appealed to me. It doesn't mean the superstitious buddhisms are worse than nothing, they're probably better than no buddhism because the heart of the teachings do tend to be preserved somewhat; but the superstitious nonsense is unnecessary, unappealing and detracting.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by vovan


              See, that's kinda my view, too. But that brings up the main point: where do you draw the line? Is it all or nothing? Like, you have to do everything the bible and the church says, or else you are not a Christian? In that case, I can honestly say I don't know a single Christian. Otherwise, what is the minimum set of things you have to do to be considered a Christian? Clearly, simply designating yourself so is not enough.
              Ehrm, doing the right thing; support the weak; be good to others is basic human acts - if you want to be a christian you have to belive that people can walk on water, turn water into vine, raise the dead etc.
              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

              Steven Weinberg

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Perfection
                That style seems rather stupid.
                As far as its relevance to my lack of Christianity, I believe it is impossible to have accurate knowledge of any sort of divinity without also possessing all the information in the universe.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Blake


                  Quite true, and unfortunate, there are some Buddhist schools where the monks are allowed to marry and have kids! .
                  But there are Buddhists schools which remain true to the core of Buddhism (ie the four noble truths).

                  Nothing other than Theravada Buddhism (the oldest and most true to Buddha) has appealed to me. It doesn't mean the superstitious buddhisms are worse than nothing, they're probably better than no buddhism because the heart of the teachings do tend to be preserved somewhat; but the superstitious nonsense is unnecessary, unappealing and detracting.

                  Dang protestant buddists.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Lorizael


                    As far as its relevance to my lack of Christianity, I believe it is impossible to have accurate knowledge of any sort of divinity without also possessing all the information in the universe.
                    So you could not have knowledge of A Cadillac, even though you dont own one or drive one?

                    This doesnt preclude you from having accurate knowledge
                    Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Blake


                      Quite true, and unfortunate, there are some Buddhist schools where the monks are allowed to marry and have kids! .
                      But there are Buddhists schools which remain true to the core of Buddhism (ie the four noble truths).

                      Nothing other than Theravada Buddhism (the oldest and most true to Buddha) has appealed to me. It doesn't mean the superstitious buddhisms are worse than nothing, they're probably better than no buddhism because the heart of the teachings do tend to be preserved somewhat; but the superstitious nonsense is unnecessary, unappealing and detracting.
                      You haven't really made a case for why it's essential to have no wife or kids to follow the path. Certainly having a wife and kids doesn't seem to fall into the category of superstitious nonsense.

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                      • #56
                        Buddhists aim to be dead before dying. So wife and kids are a big no no.
                        Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by BlackCat
                          if you want to be a christian you have to belive that people can walk on water, turn water into vine, raise the dead etc.
                          The last US Census (2000) reports 76% of the population identifies itself as Christian. I would wager that the number would drop precipitously if the people were to use your definition.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Nostromo
                            Buddhists aim to be dead before dying. So wife and kids are a big no no.
                            Aiming to be dead before dying is perhaps the part I find pointless.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by BlackCat


                              Ehrm, doing the right thing; support the weak; be good to others is basic human acts - if you want to be a christian you have to belive that people can walk on water, turn water into vine, raise the dead etc.
                              Believe in it? I do those things on a daily basis.

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                              Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                              • #60
                                Re: Why are you not a Christian

                                - all of Asher's reasons
                                - because teh concepts of original sin, teh saviour, etc., are vile, pernicious ideas designed to destroy an individual's sense of agency, self-worth, and freedom.
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